X-Message-Number: 16617
From: "Trygve Bauge" <>
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Subject: Anyone want a 4 person bigfoot dewar?
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:19:23 +0200

To Cryonics Europe etc.

Elizabeth Kostadinova  
is a 29 year old lady from Australia, who for the last few months have
pursued the cryonic suspension of her late father.
The latter died of cancer at the age of 58 on March the 19th of this year
and has been burried.
She has apparently already been turned down by Alcor and CI.

I was contacted about 2 weeks ago, and tried first to discourage her, but
she is still adamantly pursuing the suspension.

She wants to spend  about 23,000 USD (about 45,000 Australian dollars), or
possibly as much as USD 30,000
upfront to set up a new facility.

For that amount she should be able to get a bigfoot dewar, (which can be
maintained at about $7,000 a year).
And have him exhumed and stored on dry ice until such a dewar has been
ordered, manufactured and installed.

I have already told her that the chances for her father is virtually nill.
And that she might be better off just preserving some dead tissue sample, in
the hope that it sometime in the future might be possible and legal to clone
DNA samples from dead cells.
As far as restoring any memory content, this would by now, either way, have
to be reconstructed from other sources than her father's brain, thus she
might be able to do as much or as little with a cell sample as with the
whole corpse, and a cell sample could be preserved at far lower cost.

However, there are a few other positive ramifications
that might come of her attempt to preserve the whole body:

If she is successful in establishing a new facility in Australia, in Norway
or elsewhere, this might make it easier for people in the same area (herself
included) to later be suspended.

If she goes ahead and buys a bigfoot dewar, then such a dewar has the
capacity for 4 people, and 3 other people could as a result possibly be
frozen that wouldn't otherwise be frozen or  be frozen in better condition
and cheaper than they otherwise would.

There is a cryonic transit facility in England.
So to those involved with that facility: Here is a lady that is willing to
buy a dewar, and apparently can afford to do so, why not use this
opportunity to have a bigfoot dewar installed at your facility?

Then its annual upkeep can be financed by selling or renting out the 3
remaining places in the same dewar.

If you at the English facility would take on this case,
it would save us the extra work of trying to establish a totally new
facility in Australia or Norway.


Trygve Bauge

Ps. for more on the above case I refer to what I have posted to Cryonet over
the last 2 weeks.

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