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From: "Trygve Bauge" <>

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Subject: Trygve's response to John de Rivaz re Disinternment, cloning etc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 00:22:46 +0200

It seems to me that those responding all agree that if there is a pre mortem
contract then it is not just o.k.but an obligation to freeze even rotting

At the same time several people are afraid of post mortem freezing of
rotting remains.

I don't see why there should be a difference!

In Norway the next of kin owns the corpse, and makes the decisions regarding
the latter.
If the next of kin wants it frozen, then that has the same legal standing as
if the rotten corpse had signed up while still alive.

As to cloning: my point has been that it is a step in the right direction
towards survival to a still larger extent.

We should never forget that cryonics is not yet a workable technology, while
cloning is.

From just surviving through one's kids, we can today (if the politicians
permit it),
survive through a clone.

That is not the ultimate goal, but it is a step in the direction of being
able to survive to a still larger extent.

If enough people start storing cell samples towards future cloning, this
would increase money spent on cold storage, and facilities built for such
and related research and would possibly benefit cryonics too. E.g. it might
become easier to find someone willing to store heads and fullbodies too if
the cell and tissue storing industry grows.

And if the cloning industry expands, we might see that the cloning of
specific tissues and of organs would improve too, and this too might make it
easier to repair frozen bodies and heads.

All I am saying is that we should not underestimate the benefit that cell
storage and cloning can have on cryonics.

Personally I have seen cryonics being taken much more seriously after all
those that had said that cloning would be impossible, had to eat their own


Trygve Bauge


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