X-Message-Number: 16688 From: "Trygve Bauge" <> References: <> <007f01c0fda4$cd346200$> <006b01c0fdae$2d61e0e0$> Subject: Trygve's response to John de Rivaz re Disinternment, cloning etc. Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 00:22:46 +0200 It seems to me that those responding all agree that if there is a pre mortem contract then it is not just o.k.but an obligation to freeze even rotting remains. At the same time several people are afraid of post mortem freezing of rotting remains. I don't see why there should be a difference! In Norway the next of kin owns the corpse, and makes the decisions regarding the latter. If the next of kin wants it frozen, then that has the same legal standing as if the rotten corpse had signed up while still alive. As to cloning: my point has been that it is a step in the right direction towards survival to a still larger extent. We should never forget that cryonics is not yet a workable technology, while cloning is. From just surviving through one's kids, we can today (if the politicians permit it), survive through a clone. That is not the ultimate goal, but it is a step in the direction of being able to survive to a still larger extent. If enough people start storing cell samples towards future cloning, this would increase money spent on cold storage, and facilities built for such and related research and would possibly benefit cryonics too. E.g. it might become easier to find someone willing to store heads and fullbodies too if the cell and tissue storing industry grows. And if the cloning industry expands, we might see that the cloning of specific tissues and of organs would improve too, and this too might make it easier to repair frozen bodies and heads. All I am saying is that we should not underestimate the benefit that cell storage and cloning can have on cryonics. Personally I have seen cryonics being taken much more seriously after all those that had said that cloning would be impossible, had to eat their own words. Sincerely, Trygve Bauge > Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=16688