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From: "Trygve Bauge" <>
Subject: Trygve's reply to Epstein
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:08:42 +0200

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>Louis Epstein <>
>On 24 Jun 2001, CryoNet wrote:
>> Message #16641 From: "Trygve Bauge" <>
>> For years I have hoped that someone in the cryonics movement would buy a
>> freezer, set up a laboratory for tissue cultivation and offer to freeze live
>> cell samples, for future cloning.

>Doesn't CI do that?
>I recall George Smith saying he has
>tissue samples of his family and
>pets stored there. 

It is not just to freeze cell samples. For best results these should be taken 
alive, and be cultivated and be separated into individual cells, that then are 
frozen in a solution of nutrients, antibiotica and DMSO. That way the cells 
survive the freezing, and can be thawed out and cultivated furthyer, and thus be
viable for future cloning.

Maybe Cells 4 Life can answer what procedure they use to secure that their cell 
samples survive the freezing?

I know what the local cancer hospital does here in Norway.

I don't think C.I. takes then necessary steps to secure that their cell samples 
survive the freezing process, but correct me if I am wrong.

>> Message #16643 From: "Trygve Bauge" <>
>> Liquid nitrogen storage is basically a way of postponing the rotting of
>> the corpse.
>Is there any way that preserves
>the body better?
>That is the question if not rotting
>is your goal.(Cost and maintenance
>also have to be considered). 

Fish apparently is still fresh and edible after being stored two years burried 
in a moore, according to recent research at a Norwegian research station.
There is probably some damage, but not to its tast and edibility.

The research was based on the fact that the Vikings kept the drinking water 
fresh on long sea travels by leting pieces taken from a moore float around in 
the water.

>> In order to assist you,  I had to break up with my girl friend that I
>> have had for the last 5 years. She was vehemently opposed to me actively
>> attempting to freeze more dead corpses. 
>She thought you no longer
>cared about cryonics?

Rather to the contrary, she has known all along that I care very much about 

After all, she knows how much it costs to have my grand father cryonically 
stored in Colorado.

It is just that I have been trying to find time both for her and for cryonics.

And for a cryonic venture to succceed one often has to work long hours, weeks on

Thus I had to break off the relationship in order to find time for this latest 

She has repeatedly in vain tried to talk me out of cryonics, and been quite 
But since I broke off she has been calling me repeatedly ever since, and 

wants me back in spite of me spending so much time, money and efforts on 

Trygve Bauge


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