X-Message-Number: 16741
From: "Trygve Bauge" <>
References: <00ae01c0ffd9$f8585ae0$>
Subject: Re: REGARDING HOW THE BODY WOULD BE STORED,./
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:30:01 +0200

To Elizabeth,
If a body is stored at minus 135 degrees celcius or colder, then virtually
all biological activity is stopped. Thus no further decay for as long as it
stays frozen at this temperature.
Liquid nitrogen has a temperature of minus 196 degrees Celcius, and is
actually 60 degrees colder than what that is needed.
There might however, still be some cracking when cooled down to this
temperature.
E.g. the body is like a big popsickle, and could form cracks.

The bigfoot dewar is like one big thermos,  3,3 meters tall and about 1
meter in diameter.

It would be stored inside a 3 meter by 3 meter room, which is inside a large
hall in a large storage building. Both the room and the hall would be
locked.

People like myself and someone from the company selling liquid nitrogen
would come every 2 weeks to refill liquid nitrogen on the dewar so to
replace such liquid nitrogen that has evaporated.
The body would be fully submerged in liquid nitrogen at all times,
packed in a sleeping bag and strapped to a stretcher or packed in a small
metal chest.


At the onset only your father would be stored there, but the same bigfoot
has capacity for 4 people, so 3 others could also be stored there.

This would most likely be other people that are turned down by Alcor and
C.I.

I could possibly take some pictures of the site and the business park I am
looking at and find some pictures of a bigfoot, scan these and post them to
the internet.

You could of course come and visit Norway anytime on a tourist visa.

You mention embalming. Was he embalmed before he was burried?

What date did you start calling around to et him stored cryonically?
Who did you call and speak to or write to electronically before you got hold
of me?

--
As to what that can be done:
For the time being the only thying that can be done is to store him at a
cold enough temperature to prevent further biological breakdown.

Permafrost is not cold enough and dry ice is not cold enough, only cryogenic
freezers and liquid nitrogen dewars are cold enough to stop the breakdown.

As far as doing anything else, like cloning dead tissue samples or repairing
long dead corpses. This is not possible today.

If enough people support enough research, maybe something could be done in
the future.
But no one can guarantee that.

You would have to make separate agreement with other cryonisists about what
repair work that is to be done longrun. E.g. you could join ACS the american
cryonics society
or form some mutual agreement with other cryonists to assist one another.
E.g. make some agreement now so to secure repair, if the latter ever becomes
available.

Sincerely,

Trygve Bauge


----- Original Message -----
From: elizabeth kostadinova.
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 1:05 PM
Subject: REGARDING HOW THE BODY WOULD BE STORED,./


DEAR, trygve, regarding
the question am l a fate or for real answer. i am for real,
Regarding the way send,myemail ,this the cause of the loss odf my father
which i have suffered alot of emotional grief, and
pain, there for my irrasitliy ,is there,
so excuse me if l sound like Lhave gone a little insane,
But is has resulted from the,that hy i wish to take the body back out, and
preserve it though cryonics, and keep it in good condition long term, and
hoped that that, one day his body wold be saved or restored,
AS THE INTERMENT IS BOTHERING ME,
SO I WOULD LIKE TO ARRANGE FOR THE BODY TO BE LEGALLY TRANPORTED TO A
INSITUTE FOR PRESERVATION , AND KEEP HIS BODY NICELY IN TACT,.AND STOP THE
ROTTING.
SO I WOULS LIKE TO ASK TO THOROUIGHLY UNDERSTAND,,
WHAT IS GOING T0 BE DONE TO HIM BEFORE,I THEN DECIDE T0 EXHUME HIM.
OBVIOUSLY HE WILL NEDD TO BE EXHUMED AGAIN, AND PROBABLY REEMBAMBED,


AND THEN PROPARED TO BE SHIPPED, BY THE FUNERAL DIRECTORS,
to desinated place,
BUT THIS PLACE HE WILL BE AT, WILL THERE BE,OTHER OR THE INISTITUE THAT
GETS, ACCESS,
TO THE STORAGE THAT HE WILL BE, IN IS IT LOCKED UP, AND ARE THERE ANY PHOTOS
OF THE STORAGE.ARE TO VIEW ON THE INTERNET,.
WHAT DOE THE BIG FOOT,DRAW LOOK LIKE,OVBIUOSLY THERE ARE DECEASED PEOPLE
THAT WILL BE IN IT..
WHICH ISS EASY FOR CARE TAKE OFF, TO LOOK AFTER .
AS I ASSUME THAT THIS WILL, PRESERVE THE PERSON BODY LONG TERM.
WITH OUT THE ROTTING OF DECAYING CONTINUEING IS THERE A METHODS TO
COMPLETELY STOP THE DECOMPOSURE, OFF COMPLETELY,',
AND IS A METHOD THAT EVEN KEEP THE CELL RESTORED SOME WAY.
AND STOPS THE SKIN FORM GETTING WORSE, ...ARE THERE SPECIAL LIQUID
SUBSTANCES AROUND THAT
HELP, SOME WAY,,,.STOPS DECOMPOSURE AND ROOTING TO PROGRESS..
TO A DEGREE,.
AND SOME TYPE OF RESTORATION MADE.
PLEASE LET ME KNOW ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS,
AND WHAT TYPE OF CARE WOULD BE GIVEN.
PLEASE REPLPY TO ELIZABETH KOSTADINOVA,


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