X-Message-Number: 16960 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:51:34 -0700 From: Lee Corbin <> Subject: Our Knowledge of the World Dave Pizer writes > Actually, this summer I am taking several biological psychology courses to brush up on how the mind works (neurons, lobes, nets, all that good stuff) in preparation for philosophy of mind next fall. These classes no longer argue much about if the mind is separate from the brain in the way that traditional dualists thought the mind was the soul and immortal, etc. But now they argue that because our perception is just based on electrical signals processed in the brain, that what we mistake for the richness of nature is just binary signals in certain areas of the brain, and that we can *never* really know the world as it actually is. < I always have a bone to pick with that view. We *can* know the relationship between two physical objects, even if they are millions of miles away. In fact, we can know vast, vast numbers of things about distant objects and events. We can, and do, also know about the richness of nature. I submit that anyone who seriously and literally says "we can know the world as it *actually* is", and who means by that that the visual or other sensual appearance of the world can be known "directly" without being filtered by the sensory apparatus, must be a small child. Who does not realize that information from "out there" gets coded up and sent to the brain? Since everyone already knows that, sentences such as "what we mistake for the richness of nature is really [something else]" are very liable to misinterpretation, and only gives moral support for the idiots who claim that nothing exists but our perceptions, and other such solipcistic crap. Sorry, perhaps, to have overreacted, or to persist in waging old wars perhaps already won. Lee Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=16960