X-Message-Number: 17155
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 01:30:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Louis Epstein <>
Subject: July 1-2 catchup posts
I'm going to attempt the impossible and catch
up to Cryonet.There have been a number of things
I just have to reply to,and I'm fixated on doing
things in sequence.
Four 20K posts a day,how long will it take?
CryoNet - Sun 1 Jul 2001
#16769: Simulations: Laws of Physics [John de Rivaz]
>The design of PCs shows that backwards compatibility is very difficult,
>and indeed is being abandoned. People discover this when they try and run
>old programs on modern versions of Microsoft Windows. But designers still
>haven't solved the problem of linear memory addressing (there is still
>severe competition for the lower 640K of RAM) This is due in part for
>Bill Gates saying that 640K is as much memory as anyone will ever need
>(presumably for all eternity).
It has never been good PC design
to use Microsoft products.I think
you'll find Unix memory management
never had Gates-created problems.
>Dynamic laws of physics would make for a much more interesting simulation
>in my viewpoint, possibly even producing concepts that the creator of the
>simulation had never considered previously.
Hardly fair to someone stuck inside a simulation,
if interesting to someone examining it.
#16771: Re: About the movie AI [Edd111=Dr. Ed Reifman]
>On another note, my wife is aware of the 'melding' of robotics (AI) and
>humans, and to paraphrase Kurzweil, that within 30+ years (or take how
>many years in the future you desire), the merging of AI (robotic technology)
>and organic intelligence will eventually make 'us' indistinguishable from
>'them'. Her response is that such entities can never be truly human, nor
>true progenitors of humankind as they would lack a soul.
Very,very true.
Artificial intelligence is not
the real thing,and never can be.
#16775: Re: REGARDING GETTING EXHUMATION AND PAPER WORK DON IMMEDIATELY,.
[Trygve Bauge]
>(It might be of general interest to the cryonet to know that Harris/Revco's
>largest readily available off the shelf electrical freezers that go down to
>minus 140 degrees below 0 Celcius, are large enough to freeze whole human
>beings. The catch is that the body has to be frozen in a kneeling position
>(like the yoga posture called yoga mudra) sitting on the floor with the feet
>bent under one's buttocks and with the forehead resting on the floor.
>Of course this means that one has to get to the body before rigor mortis.
Wait a minute.
In message 16705 Trygve posted an email
from a Revco distributor(they're part
of SPX now,according to the website)
that said their ultra-low freezers went
down to *80* kelvins below freezing,not 140.
>Permafrost burrial, does not stop the biological breakdown, thus I don't
>look upon it as a viable storage form.
Well,what is the functional difference in
cryopreservation at the temperatures 60
kelvins apart referenced above?
#16779: Early detection of most diseases now available??? [david pizer]
>Quoting from an advertizement in today's Arizona Republic about a body
>scan. This is supposed to detect most diseases in the earliest stages.
>The advertizement reads:
> The BODY SCAN is the single most comprehensive health screening
>available anywhere in the world. Hundreds of images of your body will be
>acquired in less than 10 minutes allowing you to take a 3-DIMENTIONAL
That typo is in the original?
>tour through you body! Major diseases can be detected earlier than
>before possible, giving you a head start on preventing HEART ATTACKS,
>TERMINAL CANCERS, OR STROKE.
>Has anyone heard anything about this company or this proceedure. Is it a
>valuable way of checking on your health?
About the same time this was posted to Cryonet,
I saw such commercially-promoted preventive scans
criticized on the network news as likely doing
more harm than good.
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CryoNet - Mon 2 Jul 2001
#16796: Revco freezers [Trygve Bauge]
>The freezers that go down to minus 140 degrees have an inner length of
>about 89 centimeters.
>For the Revco Ultima II series cryogenic freezers the inner dimensions
>are length 89 centimeter, height are about 67 centimer and front to back
>about 48 centimeters.
>Harris Cryostar freezers have the same dimensions. Not so strange since
>Harris owns Revco, I seem to remember.
>Thus one can't use such off the shelf freezers for storing full bodies.
>One could specially order a freezer that has been combined from two such
>freezers.
All right,I investigated further.
Harris if anything is less important
in the structure of SPX Corporation
than RevcoSci is,since the current
SPX page no longer lists Harris,only
Revco,as a business unit.Checking
http://www.harrisphq.com/catalog/harris/cryo9.htm
one does indeed find freezers at the lower
temperatures.Not Revco-branded ones...I
can't read the http://www.revco-sci.com/literature/ult.html
page since it's only for Javascript/Adobe types...
but I note that the Revco people before did
refer to the higher-temperature models as
part of the "ultra-low" line.
#16798: Re: [CryonicsEurope (Yahoo)] Private Email and freedom of speech!
[Trygve Bauge]
>It is also the question of whether anything sent over the Internet,
>without being scrambled and coded (e.g. with a PGP key), in any way can
>be said to be private.
That,I dare say,is a distinctly minority
opinion.
>Thus any attempt at censuring freedom of speech, might be both
>unwarranted and unconstitutional, and with good reasons.
Nobody has ever held privacy of
correspondence unconstitutional.
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At this point I reach #s 16809-57,
which never reached me by email.
(I was switching IP addresses).
I'll have to extract them from the
archive and respond to those
that need it.
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