X-Message-Number: 17266 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:19:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Skrecky <> Subject: 43'rd update on fly longevity experiments &food satiation expts This is the 43'rd update of my fly longevity experiments. Except where indicated 1/2 tsp citric acid was added to all bottles. I decided to retest a variety of doses of citric acid, since I was not convinced that dosage really matter at >1/4 tsp. The present results confirm dosage is unimportant, and that variations in longevity are due to chance. I also tested a variety of teas. The most bitter of these was yin hong tea, and it as well as eucommia appear to be the only ones that were significantly toxic. Run #43 Percent Survival on Day supplement 9 15 21 26 31 36 43 47 52 57 62 68 73 77 ____________________________________________________________________ citric acid 1/4 tsp 100 100 96 88 88 79 50 38 38 25 8 0 - - citric acid 1/2 tsp 100 100 96 88 88 76 32 8 4 0 - - - - citric acid 1 tsp 96 93 93 93 89 74 63 52 41 22 7 0 - - blood sugar reducing tea 85 88 85 77 65 58 50 46 27 15 8 4 0 - chrysanthemum tea 89 86 80 77 69 54 34 23 20 11 6 6 3 0 herbal diuretic tea 91 91 89 83 77 71 57 54 31 14 6 0 - - eucommia tea 74 74 74 74 70 52 30 17 9 4 0 - - - yin hong tea 83 76 62 45 34 24 14 10 10 0 - - - - This is the third update on my food satiation experiments, in which I compare my ad libitum calorie intake of various foods over a period of one day. I tried drinking Lucerne 2% chocolate milk to see how this compared with Astro's sugar free no fat fruit yogurts. The chocolate milk tasted good, but the lack of variety placed this in the middle palatability group. Despite this reduction in liking, I glugged 2100 calories of choco milk. On a per liter basis the sugar sweetened chocolate milk came with 700 calories, which is 65% higher than the caloric density (424 cals/liter) of the sugar free no fat yogurt. I strongly suspect that this increased density accounted for the 42% higher calorie intake. It amazes me how many calories sugar can add to foods. For example I found that sweetened apple sauce contains double the calories of unsweetened apple sauce. I next tried Astro's 1% fat sugar sweetened yogurt. I found this to be less sweet than the no fat yogurt, and also it has less fruit, but more calories (936 cals/liter). Again despite the lower palatability I ate 2354 calories of this yogurt! Sugar calories are evidentally quite dangerous to my waistline. Caloric density of liquid palatable foods has a dramatic effect on my ad libitum intake. This is in marked contrast the complete irrelevance of density to intake of low palatability foods. Indeed I can not convince myself that any food characteristic has a consistent effect on intake of low palatability foods. Without the lure of taste, my only motivation to eat appears to be to ingest the minimum calories my body needs to survive, which seems to be about 1500 calories/day. (LOW PALATABILITY) FOOD DAILY CALORIE INTAKE ___________________________________________ rye bread 1388 apple, Gala 1413 chicken breast 1478 rye crispbread 1564 vegetables/cottage cheese 1768 potato 2179 (skipped lunch next day) (Medium PALATABILITY) FOOD DAILY CALORIE INTAKE ___________________________________________ yogurt, fruit, no sugar & Gala apples 1976 2% fat chocolate milk 2100 yogurt, fruit, sugar 2354 peanuts 2689 (malabsorption) (HIGH PALATABILITY) FOOD DAILY CALORIE INTAKE ___________________________________________ yogurt, fruit, no sugar 1483 cookies & chili 4055 Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=17266