X-Message-Number: 17407 From: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:05:05 EDT Subject: NDEs Not long ago on Cryonet some interest was shown in NDEs, near-death-experiences. PASSAGE is a 2001 novel by Connie Willis (Bantam hard cover) on this topic. Aside from being much too long for what it has to say, it's a pretty good read with some nice sentiments. Science good, death bad, be kind. One passage, referring to use of drugs to recover patients in extremis, could apply also to other radical measures including cryonics. A lawyer says, "Since the patient is technically deceased, the same legal permissions as those required for organ harvesting could be used." But some hospitals forbid "experimentation" on the just-deceased, so: "Our second option is an Extreme Measures order, which demands that every possible measure be taken to save the life of the patient." The "Extreme Measures Order" presumably means a court order, which seems impractical in most cryonics cases. Near the end of the book, on p.568, there is a statement about specific chemicals and their specific (potentially life-saving) actions in NDEs. I don't know whether any of that is founded in recognized work. Robert Ettinger Cryonics Institute Immortalist Society http://www.cryonics.org Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=17407