X-Message-Number: 17538
From: "john grigg" <>
Subject: Dealing with the worst...
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:40:32 

Hello everyone,

Upon awakening in the early morning to go to work, my roommate told me about 
the terrorist attacks.  At first I thought he was sharing with me some sick 
joke which included a college produced hoax news tape.  Sadly, this was not 
the case.

I still feel in shock, and hope U.S. leaders can very carefully trod the 
right path in dealing with this horrible situation.  If not, American cities 
may down the road be vaporized with nuclear flashes of energy.  Or perhaps 
even more terrible, anthrax or worse will be dispersed through the air and 
water.

David Pizer wrote:
Bottom line: most natural or man-made disasters can be survived if one
prepares for them. The collapse of Western society doesn't *have* to
mean the end of cryonics and immortalism. At a fraction of the cost of
something like the Timeship, one could buy a rather large bunker complex, 
and use it as a high-security, impressive-yet-discreet life 
extension/cryonics research & storage facility in "peacetime", and as a 
self-sufficient, high-tech shelter in "wartime". In other words, you'd kill 
(or rather: preserve) two birds with one stone. It is both financially and 
technically perfectly feasible -- the only things holding us back are "our" 
own prejudices, disinterest, and lack of vision.

Just ye two olde cents...
(end)

The Mormon part of me which grew up being encouraged to have a two-year 
supply of food in preparation for personal and global calamities really does 
love this idea!   But, I'm not sure how truly doable it is considering the 
lack of funds for things as vital as whole body vitrification!

I admit to loving the "icon" nature of the Timeship.  It would draw massive 
attention to the cryonics movement.  It would put us on the map.  BUT, the 
eyes of the global village would be upon it.  And people similar to those 
who destroyed the WTC might consider the Timeship an affront to the "natural 
order" of life.  And despite armed guards, steel doors, and alarms, if they 
really want to penetrate it, then they most likely will be successful in 
doing so.

For this sad reason it may be a good thing to either carry on as we have 
with mundane looking structures, or go the next step and have  the suspended 
bodies stored in a silo or similar structure.

The Mormon church carved out part of a mountain to create a very safe place 
for the family history archives.  It has entryways which would do Norad 
proud.  And similar topnotch living quarters and ventilation systems.  I 
realize we have nowhere the funds to do the same, but David Pizer would be 
the man to be our guide if anything could be affordably with let's say an 
old missle silo.

Out of national tragedy I did find some good.  I had a negative relationship 
with a woman I was having a hard time breaking off.  After the attacks, and 
the resulting human loss I gained the necessary perspective on things which 
I needed.  And my own life now has been turning around for the better.

best wishes,

John

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