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From: "Trygve Bauge" <>
Subject: Does anyone know of a place in the US where a Canadian cryonisist can
place an electrical freezer with his mother?
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:45:22 +0200
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To the Cryonet and the Extropian Digest,
I have got a request from a Canadian cryonisist.
His mother died earlier this Summer. She received a straight freeze a few hours
after death and is
presently stored in dry ice at a funeral home in Detroit.
The Canadian cryonisist can not presently afford the USD 28,000 ++ that it costs
to have his mother stored at C.I., but he might be able to afford an electrical
freezer if he can find someone in the US that has a site where he can place
such an electrical freezer.
Thus he has three requests:
1. Is anyone (or a group of people) willing to lend him USD 20,000 to 25,000 so
that he can place his mother at C.I.? (25 people lending USD 1,000 each, would
be one way to spread the risk around?)
He offers to pay back a total of USD 200 to 300 a month.
or alternatingly:
2. does anyone have a site in the US, where he can place an electrical freezer
with his mother?
and
3. Is anyone willing to join him in buying an electrical freezer? Incidentially
the model that is long enough is also large enough to house two bodies.He would
only be using one of the slots for his mother, maybe someone else sees some use
for the second slot? The freezer would cost about USD 7,000 plus shipping. It's
operation might cost about USD 10 a day in electricity.
Many of you have storage locations or farm like properties,
would anyone of you let the Canadian cryonisist store an electrical freezer with
his mother in it?
It seems like a cheap electrical freezer and the electricity to run it, is all
he presently can afford.
If anyone is interested in getting in touch with him, please send an e-mail to
me
or and I will forward all letters to the Canadian
cryonisist in Toronto.
By the way, since the cryonic groups get so many cases that they can't or won't
assist,
what about getting together and organizing a company that then builds a terrain
integrated cemetary at Svalbard or in some other area with perma frost, so that
we the cryonic community can have something to offer as an inexpensive option
for all those that can't afford liquid nitrogen or for some reason are not
accepted by the regular liquid nitrogen based storage providers?
Svalbard is administered by Norway, but by the treaty of 1925 most countries can
use it, and as far as I know one doesn't even need a passport to travel there
(at least not from Norway and EU, probably not from other countries neither).
Sweden, Russia and Norway have or have had coal mines there. And there is a lot
of permafrost.
If one built a terrain integrated concrete vault burried into the permafrost,
there would be no maintenance costs. And bodies placed in such a crypt would be
frozen at a steady temperature. With the right engineering this could be as cold
as minus 40 degrees Celcius. (Or as cold as the night time winter temperature
up there. The latter temperature could easily be captured and stored. The winter
temperature could be used to cool the facility and liquid (antifreeze treated)
fluids in such a way that the facility will stay similarly cold in the Summer.
Alternatingly one could just let the permafrost keep the facility at a
temperature slighly below freezing.)
Not the same as liquid nitrogen, electrical storage or dry ice, but still
something for those that want to be frozen but can't afford more than a regular
burial.
Sincerely,
Trygve Bauge
I live in Norway and can be reached at (47)22-14-80-78 or
I get a few requests a year from people that want to freeze one of their
relatives.
Many of the cases are cases that have problems getting accepted by the
established cryonic facilities.
The above Canadian request I got 2 days ago by way of Ben Best.
If anyone would like to be put in touch with the Canadian I mentioned above,
I will be glad to do so.
----- Original Message -----
From: Trygve Bauge
To: Ben Best
Cc: Trygve Bauge ; Jim Yount ; Jim Yount ; ;
; ; John de Rivaz ; Nord ; American Cryonics
Society ; ;
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:26 PM
Subject: Electrical freezer, an option for the Canadian case? Storage site
sought!
To Ben Best, please forward this information to your fellow Canadian
cryonisist.
Revco/Harris/Q manufacturers an electrical freezer that holds dry ice
temperature,
is large enough to hold one person (179 centimeter internal length) and costs
about USD 7,000 or less pluss the electricity it consumes: A few kilowatts an
hour. e.g. USD 10 or less a day.
Maybe this is something that the Canadian cryonisist can afford, if he finds
someone in the US or Canada that is willing to store such a freezer for him?
One such freezer could hold two bodies.
(They also have ultra low cryogenic freezers large enough to store 6 heads,
these hold a temperature of minus 140 degrees celcius and cost about USD
12,500 or more. The latter freezers are not long enough to store a human body
unless the latter is frozen in a kneeling position with the feet folded up
under the body.)
Maybe Jim Yount, Robert Ettinger or others know someone that would be willing
to house such an electrical freezer?
It would be less expensive and less labour intensive than if the Canadian was
to store his mother on dry ice. He does not seem to afford the cost of having
someone else maintain and refill a dry ice chest for him, and Canada
apparenlty won't let him store his mother in a dry ice chest at home,
besides dry ice is expensive where he lives and he doesn't have a car. Thus
storing an electrical freezer at a US site seems the best option, if he can
find someone willing to store the freezer for him.
(As a safety meassure the electrical freezer could be backfilled with dry ice.
The dry ice would last a long time in such a freezer even if the electricity
was to fail. If the freezers engine burns out, the same freezer could then be
used as a dry ice box.)
Sincerely,
Trygve Bauge
1. Producers of electrical freezers:
Revco/Harris/Q has both crygenic freezers (minus 140 degrees Celcius)
and regular freezers (minus 89 degrees celcius)
www.revco-sci.com
Ren Mecklenborg, European Sales Manager
Revco Technologies, Inc.
275 Aiken Road
Asheville, North Carolina 28804 USA
E-Mail:
Tel: 828-658-2824
Fax: 828-645-9466
http://www.revco-sci.com/catalog/ult/cryo_ultima2.htm
http://www.harrisphq.com
http://www.harrisphq.com/cryostar/cryopage10.htm
2. Producer of fiberglass LN2 dewars:
Perry Fiberglass
25125 Detroit Rd.,
Suite 125, Westlake,
Ohio 44145
USA
Ph 440-892-4779
3. Producers of LN2 steel dewars:
Jim Amato at Cryotech produces steel dewars like those used by Alcor
Bigfoot dewar
Standard dewar:
43" -- outside diameter, not including outriggers
40" -- inside diameter
106" -- inside depth
92" -- usable depth (dewar has 14" styrofoam plug at top)
116" -- overall clearance height (110" dewar height, 4" floor
clearance, 2" styrofoam plug lifting handles)
10" -- Caster plate extensions from OD of dewar (5ea outriggers)
15 liters/day -- approximate evaporation rate (based on closed
dewar over 24 hour period.
All #304 stainless steel construction. #8 "mirror-like" finish on outer
chamber. Aluminum & styrofoam lid.
Special height dewar:
10" taller to accomodate styrofoam plug with 24" thickness.
All diameters are constant.
Dewar price -- $20,000.00 US, FOB Anaheim, CA.
Please call or email should you require further information.
Thank you for your interest in our product.
Best Regards,
Jim Amato -- Cryotech
The address is:
Jim Amato
Cryotech
714-961-8044
W 1230 North Barsten Way
Anaheim CA 92806
his e-mail address:
no web site yet.
That means that we have a supplier for the dewar at Cryotech
and for the electrical freezer at Revco/Harris manufacturing
http://www.harrisphq.com
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