X-Message-Number: 1773.1 From: R. Ettinger Subject: Storage Near -136 C Cryonics Institute 24443 Roanoke, Oak Park, MI 48237 (313) 548-9549 or (313) 547-2316 Feb. 12, 1993 To: Cryonics Institute Directors & Individuals of Other Organizations Subject: Storage Near -136 C I think I have essentially solved the problem of storage near -136 C, in terms of reliability and available technology, and estimate the cost at CI would be around three times our minimum for liquid nitrogen storage. Most of you understand the potential importance of this -- much less cracking, according to some indications. Therefore I feel it is appropriate to avoid delay in disclosure. On the other hand, because of the possibility of some serious oversight or error, I don't want to publicize it widely until there has been an opportunity for feedback. In addition, it is not yet entirely clear to me how much this approach might improve a patient's chances, given the other kinds of damage that occur. If the approach proves sound, and if the best opinion is that it will indeed substantially improve a patient's chances, there will be obvious serious repercussions. Many members of all organizations will just not be able to afford it. Some members and potential members will feel that, if they cannot afford this, they will not settle for liquid nitrogen storage. All this will require careful handling. If the best opinion is that the approach has potential merit, the next step is to verify it by experiment, construction of a test unit. Cryonics Institute, in its present facility, does not have room to do this, and our new building is not likely to be ready for some months at best. I think Trans Time has room; I don't know about Alcor, but have the impression that they are already crowded also. We might want to cooperate on funding the trial, in whichever facility would work out best. (Cryonics Institute could, of course, rent additional Detroit space for this purpose.) Now the specifics: We will still use liquid nitrogen, but instead of being immersed in it the patient will be above the liquid level in the stratum of gas around -136 C, or a few degrees on the conservative side of it. This was always an obvious possibility, but what was not clear earlier was how we could sufficiently limit variation of temperature over time and over the patient. I believe this can be done using two simple stratagems: 1. The patient is in a cocoon of thick insulation, perhaps polystyrene. This wil tend to greatly retard any transmission of temperature changes. (Remember that the patient's body is a relatively good thermal conductor, tending to equalize temperature through and over the patient, if heat flux at the surface is small.) If necessary, there could also be an inner cocoon, between the patient and the insulating cocoon, made of a highly thermally conducting material, which would also tend to equalize temperatures all around the patient. 2. The patient is on a framework which is attached to pontoons which float on the liquid nitrogen. Hence, as the liquid level very gradually falls and rises with boiloff and refill, the patient's distance above the liquid is unchanged, and he remains in the correct stratum. (Many obvious variations of this are possible.) The two stratagems above, I believe, solve the problem of reliability with relatively low expense and low technology. Using mechanical refrigeration with thermostats, for example, would be much more difficult and less reliable; using organic gases would be expensive and dangerous. Relatively minor problems remain, of course -- for example, we must refill the nitrogen in a way that does not unduly roil the gas and change the stratum. This might be done using an insulated filler tube in one corner, reaching not quite to the bottom. The roiling liquid/gas being added will be confined to the filler tube until the bottom; the height of liquid in the main container and in the filler tube will automatically remain equal. The increased cost arises from the fact that we will get only one (whole-body) patient per rectangular cryostat. (We could have several patients under the liquid and one above, but for various reasons this would not usually work out.) This increases the boiloff per patient per year (although not proportionately) and also increases the floor space per patient as well as the capital cost per patient for the cryostat. If the response indicates some serious mistake, I'll go back to the drawing board. If not, I think we are obligated to press ahead with trials and share results. Long life-- Bob Ettinger Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=1773.1