X-Message-Number: 17797 From: "john grigg" <> Subject: verifying biostasis quality, and facility security Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:39:15 Charles Platt wrote: Of course animal experiments are valuable, and I hope Pichugin's work will be productive. But so long as we have no way of verifying the condition of our human patients, cryonics procedures themselves are not "research" in the usual sense. (end) I realize the human brain is the most complex of all mammalian brains, but wouldn't a dog brain be good enough for testing? Couldn't we learn the pertinent factors of biostasis damage from it? Or would we have to use a chimp to come close to an accurate test? Has a chimp ever been used in this way? Has a dog brain even ever been given the FULL suspension treatment(ALCOR and CI) before being examined carefully? I had always believed so. I look forward to tests being done to verify the effectiveness of the new ALCOR vitrification methods. Using animals(especially dogs) in biostasis effectiveness testing could really tick off certain radical groups. That is the primary reason I believe security needs to be tight at cryonics facilities(as if there is the money for REALLY effective security). Domestic religious groups, and middle-eastern terrorists are probably much less of a threat to cryonics at present. best wishes, John _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=17797