X-Message-Number: 17839 Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 10:41:34 -0500 From: Ben Best <benbest@benbest.com> Subject: Urban Legend about Canadian cryonics insurance Several months ago I was informed by a Canadian life insurance agent, Tony Taylor, that he had received a letter from Alcor informing him that Canadian life insurance policies payable to an American beneficiary are taxable. Alcor had sent him the letter in connection with his efforts to secure insurance for a Canadian woman seeking to join Alcor. Tony attended our Pool Party in July and said that he would mail me a copy of the letter. When I did not hear from him I e-mailed him and he did not respond to my e-mail. I also asked my own life insurance agent, who has handled a number of cryonics life insurance policies and who is normally very well informed about these matters. After long delays and lots of checking, she couldn't provide a substantive answer. I also checked websites such as sites for Canadian snowbirds, but was unable to find anything in their insurance sections. If such a tax were applicable, I should expect to find it mentioned there. It can be easier to find information confirming truths than information dispelling misbeliefs -- if this is, indeed, a misbelief. I phoned the International Tax Services Office of Revenue Canada (1-800-267-5177) and my call was re-routed to the Non-Resident's Withholding Accounts Division (1-800-267-3395). A person in that office informed me that there is a 25% withholding tax on all Canadian life insurance policies that have a non-resident beneficiary. When I asked him for a specific reference, he gave me a specific citation to Section 212 of Part XIII of the Canadian Income Tax Act. However, when I went to the library and tried to find the specific reference he gave me, I could not find it. The citation was non-existent and didn't even make sense. The next day I again phoned the Non-Resident's Withholding Accounts Division and spoke to a different person. After consulting her supervisor the clerk informed me that Section 212 of Part XIII only refers to non-residents living in Canada, but that the withholding tax would affect neither a non-resident deceased nor beneficiary since proceeds on life insurance are not part of what is taxable for a Canadian. I was transferred to a clerk handling Part I of the Income Tax Act. The person handling Part I of the Act also did some double-checking with a supervisor and ensured me that Part XIII does not apply to life insurance. Section 212 (1) specifies that the withholding tax law requires non-residents to pay taxes that a Canadian would have to pay, but that since a Canadian would not pay taxes on life insurance proceeds a non-resident is not subject to this tax (whether living in Canada or not). I can understand that anyone reading this might feel less than 100% assured that there is no withholding tax on Canadian life insurance having a non-Canadian as beneficiary. The fact that a government clerk supported the idea upon first enquiry give pause for wonder. Moreover, I know of no case in which a Canadian has received cryopreservation which was paid through insurance, so it would seem that the idea is untested. But I find it hard to believe that my own agent would not know of it, that 2 clerks and 2 supervisors in the tax bureau would not know of it, that there could be no specific passage in the Tax Act on the subject, that there would be no mention of it on websites for Canadian snowbirds -- if in fact it were true. I still don't know how the idea arose at Alcor, perhaps concern about law in some other country. Even if it is true and easily verified (in MY mind) that there is no tax on cryonics insurance for Canada, I can easily understand and sympathize with cryonics organizations worrying about the proceeds they might receive from insurance paid from different countries. Taking on a cryonics patient is a large cost, and if adequate funding is not in place for that patient and the organization is left with a financial burden, it endangers the funding (and ultimately the lives) of all the patients. It is one thing to accept members from different countries and tell those members that they are responsible for whatever laws might impede proper cryonics treatment or shipment of their bodies. It is quite another thing for a cryonics organization to assume that funding will be adequate for insurance without having to thoroughly research the laws of every country in which they have members to ensure that significant taxes or charges will not be withdrawn or that enforcement problems might occur if the insurance company defaults. This experience and these thoughts should be very sobering for anyone who has formulated opinions about American cryonics organizations accepting members from other countries. -- Ben Best (http://www.benbest.com) Director, Cryonics Society of Canada (http://www.cryocdn.org) Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=17839