X-Message-Number: 1795 Date: 22 Feb 93 02:09:54 EST From: Clarissa Wells <> Subject: CRYONICS Terminating Membership To: I am a little overwhelmed by the fulsome responses to my last letter, but since I lamented that no one seemed to care, I can hardly complain now that people are speaking up. I will just have to do my best to respond as well as I can, bearing in mind my relatively limited experience in cryonics. In medicine, there is a Hippocratic Oath. As I recall, it is a pledge to heal the sick without discriminating. If cryonics emergency workers are serious about saving people's lives, it seems to me this puts them in the same category as doctors; and therefore, they too should make a pledge, explicit or implicit, to help people regardless of who those people are. There is a very simple, obvious reason for this: a health-care worker exercises the power of life and death. If workers have no principles to guide them, so they exercise or withhold their power indiscriminately, how can we ever trust them? Of course, there will be limitations imposed by resources, and a small organization cannot afford to extend free "treatment" which would actually cost the organization thousands of dollars. However, it is just as important for a small organization not to compromise its ethics. As soon as you start refusing "treatment" because of some words that someone said, it seems to me you become an organization which people begin to fear more than they trust. In response to Mr. Riskin: You imply that if I were a member of a cryonics organization, it would be in my own selfish interest to keep "agitators" out. Perhaps under some (rather implausible) circumstances this might be true, but in the long term, it seems to me, an exclusionary cryonics organization would attract fewer members than an open cryonics organization. After all, who wants to belong to a group where one may be denied health care as a punishment for being outspoken? Therefore, even in the simplistic context of "What's in it for me?" (in which you have chosen to debate), I would say that self interest dictates a humane policy. Mr. Henson's letter is long and seemingly full of contradictions, which makes it difficult to answer. On one hand, he indicates that Alcor can already get rid of any member it chooses. But if this is the case, why did Mr. Henson need to ask for new rules that would allow Alcor to prohibit people from rejoining? In his same letter, Mr. Henson indicates that a nonmember can cause just as much trouble as a member--if not more. In that case, Mr. Henson seems to have no rational justification for wanting to keep some people out. This leads me to suggest that maybe there is an IRRATIONAL reason. Did he, perhaps, merely want the power to punish someone whom he disapproves of? One last point about Mr. Henson's letter. He says "a case can be made" that a former member cost Alcor half a million dollars. However, Mr. Henson chooses not to make that case. He prefers simply to hint at it, knowing that I cannot reply, because I don't know what he knows. This is arguing by innuendo, and it is not a technique that I respect highly. Originally, I posed an ethical question. Yet Mr. Henson doesn't even try to talk about what is right and wrong. Instead, he talks in terms of expediency. In view of this, I now feel even more strongly that Mr. Henson does not seem an ideal person to help run a cryonics organization. However, I do thank him for quoting the bylaw which gives Alcor arbitrary power to expel a member. I did not know that this bylaw exists. I am glad to be more fully informed, although I am sorry to say it makes me feel a little less enthusiastic about the idea of Alcor membership. Yours Sincerely Clarissa Wells Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=1795