X-Message-Number: 18025 From: "George Smith" <> References: <> Subject: Re: CryoNet #18018 Another angle on duplicates Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 13:54:56 -0800 David Pizer astutely discusses the value in looking at reanimation options now to decide in advance which we would opt for. In discussing the issue of "duplicates" he suggests: "If you agree that *you* can be in two places at once, then you probably will agree to the reanimation technique where your original brain is taken apart and a new one made. If you disagree, you probably will hold out until your original brain can be fixed up." David goes on to explain: "I think people like to discuss these ideas to try to figure out what instructions to leave to their suspension providers." I would like to add to this issue the importance of caring for those we leave behind. For example, if I die now and in 20 years there arises a technological means to replicate "me", then I would want to see that replication happen as it would mean for my wife, friends and family that "I" am once again in their lives. From their perspective, I would be returned from "the dead." The same reasoning goes on with current common motives for the purchase of life insurance. Because we care for our loved ones we wish to see them financially safe in the event we should die. In exactly the same (*) way I would want a replication of "me" created if this were possible even if it were certain this was not "me" because from the perspective of those I care for, they would benefit by having "me" back again in their lives. For them it would be "me". If later the "real me" were to be restored to life, I would have to cope with the outcome of that former decision but at least I would be alive to cope with it. Two asides. First, this philosophical issue comes about as a dilemma because of the underlying assumption that there exists a unique "self" (identity) to begin with. Like the old poem about the "little man upon the stair who wasn't there", if we assume that the self is a thing rather than a dynamic process, we run into all of these problems regarding the "nature" of "the self". (*) Second, I am still attempting to cope with the grating, modern grammatical shift in the English language which causes so many people to use the moronically redundant phrase of "the exact same ..." rather than to hang on to those elegant adverbs yielding the more comfortable and soothing to my ear phrasing of "exactly the same". If a duplicate of me is created and he uses the phrase, "The exact same ..." , you can be certain it isn't me for I would want to bash in his head in "exactly the same" manner I would desire to do so now. If he utters this obnoxious phrase you can be certain he is really an evil demon from hell possessing a clone of my body. Please kill him for me. However as I still tend to split infinitives and fail to maintain proper punctuation in general I suppose it is only justice that I should be so tortured in the present. Just my opinion, George Smith CI member Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=18025