X-Message-Number: 18047
From: "john grigg" <>
Subject: The "truth" about identity
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 04:24:14 

David Pizer wrote:
If you cannot correctly answer the question; "If a duplicate brain was
reanimated, and the original brain destroyed, did the original person
survive?" then you cannot confidently give specific instructions to your
reanimator before you go into suspension.  Therefore you are giving the
power to make decisions about your possible eternal life to others.

It may be that is all we can do at this time.

We have the question, now we need the answer.

I am going to go here with my "gut" feeling.  Which happens to be so strong 
I want to YELL it out! lol  The duplicate clone brain with your "mind" 
uploaded into it is not really you(and yet it is, lol!), but instead a 
perfect copy, a "mind clone."  The "self-circuit" continuity Robert Ettinger 
speaks of is not there.  It is not REALLY me!  Though it may is a PERFECT 
copy.  And if the original dies, a perfect copy can carry on in their role 
in society and life.

We are used to identical twins of the flesh, so why can't we get used to 
technological identical twins of the flesh AND mind?  That is what an 
uploaded clone would be.  It would also be sort of a trick on the clone 
brain which had been imprinted to be a person it would normally never have 

I find my understanding of identity truth to be simple to come to.  I think 
some people are so wrapped up in philosophical and technical arguments that 
they can't see the forest through the trees.

best wishes,


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