X-Message-Number: 18093
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:06:56 +0000
From: Philip Rhoades <>
Subject: Re: Matthew's moral relativism
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Which planet are you living on?

The USA has an appalling history of illegal foreign intervention including 
the supporting _and_ training of some of the world's worst dictators and 
butchers (justifications for these interventions usually include some 
updated variety of the Monroe Doctrine).  The most recent events have just 
been more dramatic and of course when US citizens are the recipients 
rather than the source of the death, the US media devotes a little more 
coverage . .

"Show me the CIA manual" - are you serious???

As I said some time ago when this stuff had just started . . the first 
casualty of war is the truth . .

Matthew's comments seemed like some of the more objective ones as far as I 
can see.



> Message #18078
> From: "Dani Kollin" <>
> Subject: Matthew's moral relativism.
> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 10:25:46 -0800
> Matthew,
> For you to equate America's past support and training of Iraqi as well as
> Afgahni troops with the actions of people who _train_ teenagers to blow
> up innocent women and children, who _train_ people to spread poison gas
> into office buildings, who _train_ people to fly Boeings into buildings
> is by far the greater fallacy. Show me the CIA manual that espouses those
> acts as virtues and then maybe we'll talk.
> War is not a black and white issue and there's plenty of shades of gray.
> However your equating American actions with those of the ilk mentioned
> above is represhensible. You should be ashamed of yourself for such a
> blatant morally relativistic response.
> Dani Kollin
Philip Rhoades

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