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From: "John de Rivaz" <>
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Subject: Re: portable cryogenic freezer
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:10:22 -0000

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> Message #18656
> From: "Solion" <>
> References: <>
> Subject: Rebooting the brain/memory test questions
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:03:05 -0800
>
> This is but one piece of a larger picture, At present I am working on a
> portable cryogenic freezer
> to allow "On Site" cryogenic suspensions. The technology is out there, and
I
> think it is going to offer
> huge boost to the public perception of cryonics. Not to mention for people
> outside of this country being able to be reassured that they are not going
> to be waiting in the belly of a jet for 12 hours before they are perfused
> and suspended. The unit can support temperatures as low as -200c but for
> cryogenic transport we will only need -100c

Unfortunately the technical problems are only one side of problem. A recent
exchange of emails with an undertaker revealed the following:

>>>>>>
The course of action when somebody dies, not having been treated for a long
time by their doctor for an illness, is that the doctor certifies death,
issues a notification certificate of death, which is then taken to the
registrars for registration. After legal registration with the registrar,
the deceased can then be perfused without any connection with the coroner at
all.

In the case of a sudden death,  there will be no doctor's certificate and
the case will be referred to the coroner who will undertake a post mortem
dissection, after which a certificate will be issued by the coroner, death
registered and we would be able to proceed with the best of our ability,
somewhat unsatisfactorily, with a six point perfusion. This being the best
available opportunity.

I would be unable, other than cooling down the body, to
proceed with a perfusion unless the death has been registered or we have an
absolute clearance from the coroner or a letter from the doctor giving
absolute authority to proceed. *** So if a death occurred say Saturday
evening,
it is unlikely that perfusion will proceed until Monday morning. ***
<<<<<<

This is nothing to do with differences between the cryonics providers, it is
the law and its enforcement. Cryonics organisations cannot disobey the law
without risking the lives of their existing patients.

--
Sincerely, John de Rivaz:      http://www.deRivaz.com
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