X-Message-Number: 18779 From: "Trygve Bauge" <> Subject: Livable survival of nuclear wars and lesser dangers. Cryonic facilities that can survive through the centuries. Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:50:15 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01C0_01C1C9FF.2152C300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Oslo Norway, March the 12th, I have noticed that many people on this list recently have been concerned about how to build cryonic facilities that can survive total warfare, the break down of society or at least attacks on our larger cities. Let me thus draw your attention to the various facility designs I drew up while on the board of Trans Time in 1990/91. I am sure Jim Yount at ACS has kept some of these three dimentional colour designs, they used to hang on his office wall, or you can find links to them at my web site Trygve's Meta Portal www.trygve.bauge.com just look in menu 1 under: cryonic facility designs by Trygve. In summary: There is a company in Durango Colorado called Form Works that has developed a thin shell vaulted reinforced shotcrete technology that is suitable for building facilities that can survive 800 yards from ground zero of a one megaton bomb. You will find a link to Formworks at my website. Incidentially this technology is enormously many times stronger and safer and at the same time much cheaper to use than the upright dobbel wall concrete design that Bill Falloon is considering building. In 1991 the people around Trans Time had made 2 million dollars on a company developing a new blood substitute. We were discussing whether to improve the existing facility, buy another or build a new. That is why I drew up several designs for nuclear warproof, fire proof, earthquake proof and storm proof cryonics laboratories. As it turned out Trans Time and ACS decided to buy an office park that they then couldn't use for cryonics. Maybe someone would like to dust off my plans. In 1993 I did combine the Formworks technology with 7 or 8 other fire proof technologies, and built a fire, earthquake and storm proof house in Nederland Colorado, that incidentially got very positive and extensive media coverage at the time by the local media. The Immortalist covered it as well. I brought in road and utilities to a whole hill side, and if you folks had bought any of the surrounding plots that were available for USD 10,000 upfront, you could have sold these for USD 18,000 to 35,000 two years later, others did. Which goes to show that the market place didn't think that what I was doing was a folly. That house was not built to survive nuclear war (I put windows in it, so to see the great mountain panorama from our site), but it shows the technology that could be used to build any one of my cryonic facility designs. I know some people on this list will probably claim that by suggesting that cryonics be placed in bomb shelters, I will be giving cryonics a bad name and that this is another of Trygve's follies etc. etc. Be my guest, I couldn't care less about what such nay sayers say or do, my experience is that they do not get much accomplished. As to the first Frozen Dead Guy Festival in Nederland Colorado. This was an initiative by the local chamber of commerce, and organized by the latter. My press release was sent out in response to the media asking me what I thought about the town trying to cash in on my grand father's presence. I said that I would much rather have the support of the local chamber of commerce than being in the situation of the Martinots in France. Incidentially I was in a situation like the Martinots in 1994, when the town board threatened to thaw out my grandfather. I won that extensive battle. Since then Tuff shed has donated a new facility for my grand father, radio station Fox is an annual sponsor as well. And it is nice to now have the full support of the local chamber of commerce. I expect that the old ordinance against adding more cryonic patients within the town limits will be removed, maybe as a media stunt just before next year's festival. At least I was told that there would be no problem getting the present town board to rescind the older unconstitutional ordinance. By the way the Colorado legislature just voted down with a vote of 35 to 27, a bill to declare March the 9th "Frozen Dead Guy day" How many other areas can even dream of that much support for cryonics in their local communities and local state assemblies? How many mainstream business sponsors does other cryonics group have? If any cryonic group would like to set up a nuclear war proof liquid nitrogen based cryonic vault in Colorado, I think you will be welcomed by both the population and the authorities, you might even see that different areas would compete to be selected. As to the ignorant fellow who so sarcastically said: "P.S. Hey Trygve, what's wrong with using Alcor or CI to keep your grandfather nice and cold??" If that fellown had been old enough he would have remembered that C.I. did not accept post mortem sign ups. in 1990 I actually sent USD 31.000 to C.I. and asked them to accept my grand father. They returned the money and I had to place him elsewhere. Afterwords I talked them into accepting post mortem sign ups, And they have done so since. If I had been in Colorado I would have offered to take in the Martinots. How come non of the other cryonics organizations is offering to do this? You could possibly get the use of a castle in France as a vacation retreat in return? Sincerely, Trygve Bauge Trygve Bauge, Life-Extension Systems, The Norw. Icebathing club & Trygve's Meta Portal: www.trygve.bauge.com ------=_NextPart_000_01C0_01C1C9FF.2152C300 Content-Type: text/html; [ AUTOMATICALLY SKIPPING HTML ENCODING! ] Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=18779