X-Message-Number: 18809 From: "D Pizer" <> Subject: A few words about Trygve, and when will ageing be cured Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:13:52 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1CB94.C2E57320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" When will aging be cured? By: David Pizer This depends on how you define "cured." In the most liberal sense we might say that aging is cured now for some people, if we think of the cure as incremental steps that lead to biological immortality. 1. For instance, say a person is 40 years old now, and has a potential lifespan (if nothing new comes along other than what is here now) of 35 more years. 2. During the next 15 years, give or take a couple, there will be more advances. Fifteen years from now (or, from number 1 above), our cheerful prospect for immortality will be 55 years old. That 55 year old person, subject to the new technology that has been developed during the 15 years, will have a potential lifespan of 30 more years. 3. During the next 15 years, or so, there will be even more advances. Fifteen years from number 2, our happy prospect for immortality will be a very youthful-seeming and healthy 70 years of age. With the technology that has been perfected during the last 15 years, our 70 year happy prospect for immortality now has a potential lifespan of 50 more years, or the potential to reach what is considered, at the present time, the maximum life span possible, or age 120. 4. During the next 50 years, reversible aging techniques will be developed, and our delighted old codger will begin to reverse aging and grow younger-looking/feeling until reaching an optimum physical condition resembling a 20 year old. And those who missed out on this will be saying: "Gee, I wish I would have retired in Ventureville, where they all get-together every day and discuss all this new stuff and help each other." -------------------- Some comments on Trygve By: David Pizer I have followed Trygve's writings since he became interested in cryonics several years ago and have met him on several occasions. Since Trygve seems interested in being a "public person" at least in cryonics circles, I don't think it will be rude to make some comments about my opinion of his activities. I really don't know him, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. To me, Trygve seems like a bright and enthusiastic person. Some of his ideas are novel and may be of benefit to the movement. His downside is that he is very strong-willed and, at least it seems to me, not very receptive to criticism (well-meaning or otherwise). He just doesn't seem to listen to others, and if he does, he seems to always ignore their advice. That would be ok, except for the fact that Trygve has thrust himself into the public light and presented himself as a cryonicists. So, sometimes, there are people and media judging all of us by what he does. Since our lives, and our potential eternal lives, might be affected by what Trygve, or anyone else who calls themselves a cryonicist, does, we seem to have a moral right to try to influence him when we can see that he is doing something that will harm the movement, and therefore, our chances. But he never seems to consider anyone except himself and his own wants for publicity. Frankly, sometimes, (I think), he does things that harm all the rest of us. Therefore, he has alienated himself from most of the decision-makers in cryonics because they feel that he is often out-of-control and might do something foolish to hurt the movement. Another example of this was the Martinots. I believe the man was advised several times to move his wife to, (and make his arrangements with), a regular cryonics organization. He was strong willed and refused. Now it appears that all his efforts were wasted. Many times the movement tries to slow down someone who seems to be going too fast and not quite in the right direction. Most of us in the movement are a little different from "regular" people and we need special handling, at times. (Except, of course, me. :=) I hope that the Martinot example will not be completely for lorn, and that we learn that the long established and hard-learned rules that we have now in place are for everyone's best interest. (Rules like not freezing people on credit, Fight hard to get all the complicated paperwork in place before the very end, try to get your relatives to sign that they will not interfere, and on and on. Another thing we learn from the few cryonics failures that come along every once in a while, (by people that have constantly argued with the successful old-timers), is that some of the old codgers, like Ettinger and Mondragon, Kent, Darwin, etc., when they post something on Cryonet and someone opposes them, if the reader can't tell who is right from the postings, then giving a little credit for experience might be a good thing to grant. (Except, of course, if I am opposing them :=) David Pizer ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C1CB94.C2E57320 Content-Type: text/html; [ AUTOMATICALLY SKIPPING HTML ENCODING! ] Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=18809