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From: "davepizer" <>
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Subject: Should we all get involved yet?
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:11:00 -0500

I would like to post a few comments on the subject mention in the previous
noted post and one before that by Mr. Sinclair.

> From: 
> Subject: Mike Darwin and That New Thing In Florida
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> All I can say for sure is that it takes a lot of faith to think Mr.
> Darwin's admittedly exceptional skills and knowledge will ever become of
> optimal use for cryonics, and one need only review archived Cryonet
> postings about and by him over the years, to become quickly disillusioned
> regarding such a prospect.

Mike does have a reputation for "not sticking with it" on individual
projects in cryonics.  On the other hand, he has been involved in cryonics,
in general, most (or all?) of his adult life.  Mike certainly does know a
lot "about" cryonics.  And there are many potential situations where he
could be of great utility.

 The problem in this current conflict seems to be what is the most
valuable? -  Having Mike avaiable to help with a suspension, (or other
cryonics issues), at the present time, or, Protecting a covenant
not-to-compete in the cryonics movement, that Mike, (I can only assume), did
agree to.  I can see benefits and downsides to either position in general.

What is needed in this matter, for the most people to benefit (a "win-win"
as they say), is a compromise between the parties where Mike is allowed to
work in cryonics in certain areas,  but to stop where his work would become
a threat or danger to his past employer, at least up to the end of the
contract period, which only has two years to run.

> One does wonder, though, regarding That New Thing In Florida (now with two
> names under its belt, neither of which I presently recall), and if Mr.
> Darwin has indeed again found it impossible to get along with folks, now
of
> such stature as Bill Faloon and Saul Kent, or if it is merely a dispute
> with That Guy They Hired To Run It (name not previously seen in cryonics
> print and which I also do not presently recall).  It will be interesting
to
> see how this comes out, except that right now it seems NO information is
> coming out and, surprisingly, hardly anyone is even talking about it.

Probably one reason why no information is coming out, is it that it may be
the case that part of the agreement was that if there ever was a dispute,
neither party would talk about it in public. (or something like that).  Even
if the restriction was only on Mike, the other party would have to also
remain silent for if they could talk about it and Mike couldn't that would
not be failr.

Rather than see this as one party being all right and the other party being
all wrong, I more see it as a disagreement, that perhaps negotiations
between the parties can solve and still protect the interests of each party,
rather than a lot of  speculation on Cryonet.  Perhaps this is an honest
disagreement between two honorable parties that can be worked out so that
neither gets harmed and the cryonics movement gets the  benefits.  Only
after the parties have exhausted their options should the movement get
involved in disputes like this.  But then if we did not have all the facts,
how could we decide who was right or wrong and what was best for us all?

David Pizer

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