X-Message-Number: 19765
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:08:05 -0700
From: Olaf Henny <>
Subject: Healtcare and Industrial Espionage
References: <>

In Message #19753 John Grigg <>
wrote in part:

>Subject: Differences between friends...

>But you must remember that nations with universal health
>care often make their citizens wait sometimes a LONG time
>for the care they need.  Sometimes so long the person actually
>dies.  So don't tell me the european approach is perfect.

That is indeed the case, notably in Canada and the UK.
However, there are systems of universal healthcare, which
work.  Here is what I have recently written on the subject
of 2-tier healthcare in a purely Canadian forum:

 Recently I had been given to understand, that in France and
Germany there are no waiting lists for routine surgeries.  I have
no
connections to France, but I confirmed with friends in Germany
that this is indeed the case there.
   The only appreciable delays in treatment there are for organ
transplants due to lack of availability of suitable organs and
for
appointments with highly acclaimed specialists. 

As this is off topic, I ll send you the rest of that little
article by
private e-mail.

You further wrote:

>BUT the fact is the French government's
>intelligence agencies, AND their corporations, have had a policy
>for years of spying on U.S. corporations and their employees.
>This is very well documented!  The French in fact have at times
>gone too far in terms of breaking into hotel rooms, bribes,
>blackmail, etc. that corporate america has had to appeal to the U.S.
>gov't to exert pressure so that the French would at least
>tone it down.

For your information, corporate espionage is alive and well
within
and between _all_ nations, including the US.  The astronomic
compensation of CEO is not necessarily for what they can do for
the company hiring them in managerial ability, but in large part
for
the information they can bring on their previous employers  plans
an technologies.

Best,
Olaf

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