X-Message-Number: 19765 Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 13:08:05 -0700 From: Olaf Henny <> Subject: Healtcare and Industrial Espionage References: <> In Message #19753 John Grigg <> wrote in part: >Subject: Differences between friends... >But you must remember that nations with universal health >care often make their citizens wait sometimes a LONG time >for the care they need. Sometimes so long the person actually >dies. So don't tell me the european approach is perfect. That is indeed the case, notably in Canada and the UK. However, there are systems of universal healthcare, which work. Here is what I have recently written on the subject of 2-tier healthcare in a purely Canadian forum: Recently I had been given to understand, that in France and Germany there are no waiting lists for routine surgeries. I have no connections to France, but I confirmed with friends in Germany that this is indeed the case there. The only appreciable delays in treatment there are for organ transplants due to lack of availability of suitable organs and for appointments with highly acclaimed specialists. As this is off topic, I ll send you the rest of that little article by private e-mail. You further wrote: >BUT the fact is the French government's >intelligence agencies, AND their corporations, have had a policy >for years of spying on U.S. corporations and their employees. >This is very well documented! The French in fact have at times >gone too far in terms of breaking into hotel rooms, bribes, >blackmail, etc. that corporate america has had to appeal to the U.S. >gov't to exert pressure so that the French would at least >tone it down. For your information, corporate espionage is alive and well within and between _all_ nations, including the US. The astronomic compensation of CEO is not necessarily for what they can do for the company hiring them in managerial ability, but in large part for the information they can bring on their previous employers plans an technologies. Best, Olaf Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=19765