X-Message-Number: 19819
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:33:46 +0100
From: J Corbally <>
Subject: The Mormon church and racism

>Message #19812
>Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:05:26 -0700
>From: "John Grigg" <>
>Subject: The Mormon church and racism


Just happened to browse through your message, and I have to say, I'm 
absolutely *STUNNED* you could post the quote below as a positive aspect to 
the Mormon church and the opinions of those within it.

>Racism is a "philosophy of man" that began in the early to mid-19th 
>century that said that some "races" of human beings are "superior" to 
>others. This philosophy was based upon Darwinism; from the belief that 
>some species of animals (and humans) are "more evolved" (higher) than 
>others. The Philophsophy of Racism was never a part of the Bible; nor was 
>it ever a part of the Mormon Faith! What has always been a Bible-doctrine 
>(and always a part of the Mormon Faith) is that God alternatively blesses 
>and curses various nations, kindreds, tongues, and peoples, according to 
>how they hearken to (listen to and obey) His Voice!

Very, very well you know that racial hatred (racism) vastly predates the 
formation of Darwinian theory.  Very, very well you know that at the time 
of the genesis of Darwinian theory, the racial stereotypes of pre civil war 
America were being espoused (as well as condemned) from the various pulpits 
of various sects.  While the Bible is considered by many to contain racist 
interpretations, it is no secret that racism in some form or other has 
existed a long time before the Bible was written, and probably for at least 
as long as humans have been around.    This quote is the poor ramblings of 
a creationist, as he certainly has no understanding of Evolutionary theory 
(the "Darwinism" statement gives him away).

And as for the last sentence quoted above, being "cursed" by a god on the 
basis of my beliefs(or lack) is no damn bit different than being hated for 
one's colour.  It's every bit as wrong and trivial.  And it's generally 
every bit as fatal, thanks to those who feel "God" has chosen them to 
vanquish the heretics.

Personally, I'm far, far more interested in YOU being around after cryonic 
revival than the Mormon Church.

Enjoy your weekend John.



"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and
crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures
to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."
-Q, Star Trek:TNG episode 'Q Who'

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