X-Message-Number: 19909 From: "John de Rivaz" <> References: <> Subject: Re: Cheaper Attempted Identity Conservation Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:09:27 +0100 The cheapest "attempt at identity conservation" must surely be the time travel site referred to earlier on CryoNet. From memory, you give them $10. For every $10 they are given, expenses are deducted and then a proportion will go to some investment plan designed to grow capital until some time in the future when it is possible to produce a time machine to rescue the identity of the contributors on the point of death, thereby avoiding causality violations. The problem (and small print) is that they must collect a large number of contributors before the investment phase of the project can start. I wonder how well they are doing. If they are doing well and already have the tens of thousands of contributors, then clearly there is a cost element to the market for this type of service. If they are doing no better than the cryonicists, then this tends to suggest that the lack of interest is to do with something other than cost. I would suggest that "something" is an inability to get people to consider *all* the issues before deciding whether identity conservation is for them or not - instead they focus on some pre-conceived idea, conclude that it is impossible or undesirable, and then go on to think about something else. Of course, all the imponderable probabilities discussed recently apply to this project, but I am reminded of the concept "It is impossible to make a time machine that can visit a time before which it was built". -- Sincerely, John de Rivaz: http://www.deRivaz.com : http://www.AlecHarleyReeves.com http://www.longevity-report.com : http://www.autopsychoice.com : http://www.cryonics-europe.org http://www.porthtowan.com > Message #19898 > Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:15:54 -0700 > From: Mike Perry <> > Subject: Re: Cheaper Attempted Identity Conservation > > The comments from Dalibor and others are encouraging, but what I think has > been holding back progress has been the low level of interest (Asteromed > e.V. being an uncommon exception). More interest would certainly speed > things along. > > Mike Perry Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=19909