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From: "John de Rivaz" <>
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Subject:  Re: Cheaper Attempted Identity Conservation
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:09:27 +0100

The cheapest "attempt at identity conservation" must surely be the time
travel site referred to earlier on CryoNet. From memory, you give them $10.
For every $10 they are given, expenses are deducted and then a proportion
will go to some investment plan designed to grow capital until some time in
the future when it is possible to produce a time machine to rescue the
identity of the contributors on the point of death, thereby avoiding
causality violations.

The problem (and small print) is that they must collect a large number of
contributors before the investment phase of the project can start.

I wonder how well they are doing.

If they are doing well and already have the tens of thousands of
contributors, then clearly there is a cost element to the market for this
type of service.

If they are doing no better than the cryonicists, then this tends to suggest
that the lack of interest is to do with something other than cost. I would
suggest that "something" is an inability to get people to consider *all* the
issues before deciding whether identity conservation is for them or not -
instead they focus on some pre-conceived idea, conclude that it is
impossible or undesirable, and then go on to think about something else.

Of course, all the imponderable probabilities discussed recently apply to
this project, but I am reminded of the concept "It is impossible to make a
time machine that can visit a time before which it was built".

Sincerely, John de Rivaz:      http://www.deRivaz.com :
http://www.longevity-report.com : http://www.autopsychoice.com :

> Message #19898
> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:15:54 -0700
> From: Mike Perry <>
> Subject: Re: Cheaper Attempted Identity Conservation
> The comments from Dalibor and others are encouraging, but what I think has
> been holding back progress has been the low level of interest (Asteromed
> e.V. being an uncommon exception). More interest would certainly speed
> things along.
> Mike Perry

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