X-Message-Number: 19954
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:26:25 -0500
From: Jeff Dee <>
Subject: Re: Jeff Dee's challenge
References: <>

Dani Kollin <> wrote:

> Hi Jeff, 
> Sorry it's taken me awhile to get back to you.
> Your question:
>>If you think that secular movements ALSO contain a 
>>specific irrational 
>>belief which facilitates atrocities, please describe 
>>that specific 
> Nazism and Communism both contain elements which give
> them license to murder as much as they wish. The
> science of race or the science of the material
> dialectic is all that is needed to remove those
> standing in the way of progress (in the Communist's
> case) or the racially impure (in the Nazis).
> Dani

Unless you are claiming that Nazism and Communism are rational, your 
response does not answer my challenge. Besides, these things are not 
inherent to secular movements. The irrational belief in a divine 
lawgiver IS inherent to ALL theistic movements, and that is my point.

-Jeff Dee

"It is as morally bad not to care whether a thing is true
or not, so long as it makes you feel good, as it is not to
care how you got your money as long as you have got it."
-Edmund Way Teale, "Circle of the Seasons", 1950

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