X-Message-Number: 19999 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:41:10 -0400 From: Thomas Donaldson <> Subject: CryoNet #19988 - #19997 HI everyone, once more: One more point to put to Dr. Hughes (yes, it's related to my previous two, but not clearly): 3. The major cryonics organizations try hard to be present at the "death" of their members, and start their suspension immediately after legal death is declared. This means that in some circumstances there is only a neglible lapse of time between loss of autonomous breathing and heartbeat, and commencement of artificial B and H on a machine provided by the cryonics organization itself. And as for Leonard Zubkoff, I remember him fairly well. He was never a close friend, but seemed a much more steady person than many, particularly in the early years of cryonics. I would HOPE that his body was retrieved and cryopreserved. Just how much damage occurred after his death depends on lots of variables: how cold was it where he was found, how much decomposition had occurred (some kinds of cell destruction occur only AFTER the cells are revived... or try to revive). Best wishes and long long life to all, Thomas Donaldson Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=19999