X-Message-Number: 20149
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:02:41 EDT
Subject: Re: CryoNet #20132 - #20143

In a message dated 9/23/02 2:00:53 AM,  writes:

<<Mark Plus:  I happen to find all this talk of "mystical" & "spiritual"
baffling. I have no clue what such people are mouthing off about.

d:  find out.

LATORRA: What do you mean by "find out"? Meditate? Pray? Take psychedelics?
Use a "brain machine" to induce mystical experiences? One could do some or
all of that. I certainly have. But these experiences prove nothing...except
that homo sapiens are capable of having such experiences. The experiences
certainly don't prove the existence of God, an afterlife, or anything else
that some people interpret them to mean. In other words, the meaning is
added to the experience by the experiencer. The experiences themselves are
just whatever they are: bliss, love, union with something greater, etc.
Heck, even many so-called spiritual masters (e.g., Adi Da) warn their
followers not to get attached to these experiences. If they don't idolize
these subjective states, then why should we?>>

d:  one may say the same of "ordinary" experiences.  and one should.

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