X-Message-Number: 20153
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 04:01:25 -0700
From: James Swayze <>
Subject: Answering traccy's question
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> Message #20150
> From: 
> Subject: Carbon outputs of freeze tanks?
> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:38:10 +1000
> Greetings fellow cryonauts,
> I suspect I'm about to get dragged into a bit of a debate following a post I
> sent to another list about the New Scientist comp.
> I was confronted with this response :
>         "Even if cryonics had a hope in hell of working, one wonders how the
>         freezers are powered and the carbon output or radioactive waste you
>         would generate over a deathtime (opposite of lifetime?)."
> Can anyone answer this for me please?


Since we do not use freezers and instead use thermos bottle like dewers with

liquid nitrogen then the extra carbon or nuclear waste output produced, by one's
hanging around instead of going to rot, is certainly less than the carbon or
nuclear waste output for the activities of maintaining a graveyard or crematory

services or outgasing from rot and I would even sugggest most adamantly probably
far less than even the lawnmower carbon monoxide output created in cutting the
grass over and around a single grave on a per person equivilant basis, not to
mention the carbon cost of refining the fuel that is burnt that exhausts said
carbon monoxide.

Your opponent put forth a strawman argument Tracy. Anticipating their next
rebuttal... Not even the production of the liquid nitrogen counts againts us

because it is produced as a by product of other industries that would not simply
cease to exist if we alone no longer purchased that excess product.

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