X-Message-Number: 20750 Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:13:57 -0800 From: James Swayze <> Subject: Proof most people are either ignorant or stupid or both CNN Quickvote Poll Created: Fri Dec 27 02:23:40 EST 2002 Are you for or against human cloning? For 22% 39805 votes Against 78% 143576 votes Total: 183,381 votes This QuickVote is not scientific and reflects the opinions of only...[sic]...blah blah. [end] Close to the numbers for cryonics aren't they? To take part in this poll go to the vatican related url down below and look 3/4 down the page. Related: [begin] Raelian leader says cloning first step to immortality Saturday, December 28, 2002 Posted: 2:08 AM EST (0708 GMT) MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- The leader of a religious sect that claimed to have created the first human clone Friday called the development "just the first step" toward human immortality through cloning. http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/12/27/human.cloning/index.html Clonaid: Baby 'clone' to return home Monday Monday, December 30, 2002 Posted: 3:09 PM EST (2009 GMT) NEW YORK (CNN) -- A company founded by members of a sect that believes mankind was created by extraterrestrials says the alleged first human clone -- an infant girl -- will return home Monday and will undergo testing to verify its genetic makeup. http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/12/30/human.cloning/index.html [end] And then from the brainless gallery: [begin] Bush: human cloning 'deeply troubling,' urges ban Friday, December 27, 2002 Posted: 3:25 PM EST (2025 GMT) CRAWFORD, Texas (Reuters) -- President Bush is "deeply" troubled by efforts to clone human beings and wants Congress to ban the practice, the White House said Friday after a French scientist claimed her company had produced the first clone. http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/27/bush.cloning.reut/index.html [end] And then from the brainwashed gallery: [begin] Vatican slams 'brutal' clone claim Saturday, December 28, 2002 Posted: 12:28 PM EST (1728 GMT) ROME, Italy (CNN) -- The claim that a cloned child has been born in an undisclosed country displays a "brutal mentality" lacking "ethical consideration," a Vatican spokesman has said. http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/12/28/cloning.vatican/index.html [end] Although I am highly skeptical of the so called Rael's claims and indeed Clonaid's claim even to have accomplished this 'safely', I do agree with one thing the person known as Rael says. [begin] "I think opponents to cloning are more afraid of a healthy baby than of a handicapped child," he said. "They would be so happy the child will be handicapped, saying, 'Look, this is terrible, they are creating handicapped children.' Their most utmost fear is to have a healthy, smiling baby, because then the public opinion will change completely and everybody will say, 'That's beautiful.' " [end] A lot of the media hype is again irrationally negative and biased rather than neutral just like when Ted William's case became first known and we saw Max More being ridiculed on CNN as he attempted to defend our views. I wish this group had not done this at this time and without preliminary and published research. Since it has been announced as if it has happened this alone stands to do harm to cloning research which includes in the public mind anything with the words clone, cell, embryo, gene, etc. So since the harm has been done I hope it is not a hoax and a waste of public discussion and turns out totally successful. If successful it will go a long way to quiet the public and political bias against it. Still it may have been a bit premature, to say the least. Then again who knows. We did just eek by and barely miss the passage of the misguided Brownback-Landriu bill that would have banned reproductive nd therapeutic cloning research altogether. James -- Cryonics Institute of Michigan Member! The Immortalist Society Member! The Society for Venturism Member! MY WEBSITE: http://www.geocities.com/~davidpascal/swayze/ While there follow the links to photos of me and some of my artwork and a radio interview on Dr. J's ChangeSurfer Radio program with me and the father of cryonics Prof. Robert Ettinger, author of "The Prospect of Immortality". A RELIGION I actually recommend: http://www.venturist.org A FAVORITE quote: Last lines of the first Star Trek the Next Generation movie. Capt. Picard: "What we leave behind is not as important as how we've lived, after all Number One, we're only mortal." Will Ryker: "Speak for yourself captain, I intend to live forever!" Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=20750