X-Message-Number: 21051 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 06:19:01 -0500 From: Thomas Donaldson <> Subject: CryoNet #21045 - #21050 For Mr Kluytmans, again: The energy used to make an object is not the same as the energy which may be stored in the object. You discuss diamonds as materials for nanotech devices. Fine. What chemical (and other) energies are used in making those diamonds, remembering that some of that energy will be lost and not recoverable from the diamonds themselves? You do not cite any work which looks at this question. To be fair, we have no nanotech devices of the kind you envision which would let us use experiments to work out this energy. A valid argument for nanotech substitutes for red blood cells would calculate the energy needed to make them, not just the energy that remains with them after they're made. As for replacing our body parts with nanotech devices, it's appropriate to consider red blood cells as an example. The first thing I would ask is that of just what evolutionary pressures caused us to make only red blood cells with the lifespans they have. I don't claim to be an expert on red blood cells and would be interested in what such an expert might say. However I will suggest that, given their role, making red blood cells capable not just of self-repair but also of fending off external threats from viruses, bacteria, etc etc turns out to require more energy and leave the red blood cells less efficient as carriers of O2 to our other cells. I would also ask if the red blood cells of different species of mammal (not all animals use hemoglobin in the first place) might have different lifespans. Finally, I will point out that if all our red blood cells are replaced by nanotech substitutes, it would not take long (say no more than 50 years) for bacteria, funguses, and other such life forms to start growing on them. So just where would THAT put us? Think of what's happened with all the antibiotics we've made. Any good nanotech device of ANY kind would basically have to contend with how everything in our world will change in response to it. Best wishes and long long life for all, Thomas Donaldson Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=21051