X-Message-Number: 21388 From: "Trygve Bauge" <> References: <> Subject: Re: [Cryonics Europe] mailinglist policy? Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:13:44 +0100 David Verbeke wrote on the Cryonics Europe mailing list:: ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Verbeke" <> To: <> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 7:53 PM Subject: [Cryonics Europe] mailinglist policy? > Messages posted by me on this list were posted on > another mailinglist(s?) without my knowledge (see > cryonet today). > > Is there a policy on this list about such things? > > Verbeke David > Trygve's answer: Cryonet is the main discussion forum for cryonics related matters. It is common to forward to it topics and information that first appeared elsewhere. It is common at many letter circles that people quote information found elsewhere, that is called free speech. I didn't forward Davids post or repost it as a separate post, I rather included his post in quotation marks in my own larger post with his original header included as a refference to where his post first had apppeared, and my own header in what I sent out, showed that I cross posted to both Cryonics Europe and Cryonet. If you don't want to be quoted, then do not post, or at least explicitly copyright what you post, and state in the copyright conditions that you only grant permission for your post to appear at "list of locations that you permit it to be displayed or copied to". Let us let free speech be the rule so that all can be quoted that is not explicitly both copyrighted and given a limited circulation by the copyright's owner. I for one does not want a society where censorship is the rule and it is forbidden to quote anything without explicit permission! Nor do I want a mailing list where the rule is that nothing can be quoted without explicit permission. Let those that want to limit circulation limit themselves, I for one will not impose self-censorship upon myself. If someone attacks me like David did in his two original posts, then I retain the right to quote his attack and to respond in any open and uncensored forum of my own choice! That is what Liberty and the first amendment is all about! In these days with star chambers returning to the United States, with people once again being: arrested without warrants, detained without being charged, charged without getting to know what they are charged with, attacked by witnesses who are given anonymity, judged by judges unknown to the defendant and the general public, and subjected to witnesses, prosecutors and judges that the defendant doesn't even get to face, then it is more important than ever to stand up and oppose anyone who doesn't want his attacks to be thrown into the public light, or to be held personally accountable for what attacks he has made! The patriot act part 2, allready before Congress will even make it a crime to let the public know who that are arrested and what these are arrested for! So David next time you post an attack on someone, don't be surprised if the person you attack, himself selects what forum he would like to respond in, and responds in full openness! And if that is a crime, then I will make the most of it: When Liberty is outlawed, criminal becomes a word of honor! And you can quote me on it! If I find something in a mailing list that attacks me, then I am the one that selects what free and open forum I will respond in! That is an even more important principle than copyright, and believe me, I am a very strong supporter of copyrights. In the legal system it can be compared to the right to compell witnesses to appear, and believe me, that is the only duty I want to oppose on anyone! Sincerely, Trygve Bauge. Trygve Bauge, Life-Extension Systems, The Norw. Icebathing club & Trygve's Meta Portal: www.trygve.bauge.com > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=21388