X-Message-Number: 21404 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:28:12 -0700 From: Mike Perry <> Subject: Abstractions and Reality Eric at Transoniq writes in part: >I guess I have a single question for any of those who think >that abstractions (souls, minds, information, stories, software, >numbers, letters, etc) actually exist: By what possible >mechanism do *any* of these have *any* effect on anything in >the universe? To me it is reasonable, for instance, to say that information has an influence on people, or on the course of civilization. A book such as Aristotle's *Nicomachean Ethics*, considered as the body of information that it is, has had such influence. I don't deny that you can interpret reality in such a way as to eliminate any reference to "information." You could instead only refer to concrete physical objects such as physical assemblages of pages with certain physical marks on them, and to certain people who behaved in certain ways when certain streams of photons traveled from the pages in question to their eyes. A cumbersome and unappealing way to approach reality, in my view. Not necessary, not desirable. To allow abstractions does not, in and of itself, imply any logical incoherence, and there are advantages to be gained. Mike Perry Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=21404