X-Message-Number: 22061
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:27:39 -0400
From: Thomas Donaldson <>
Subject: CryoNet #22049 - #22060

Well, fellows (and maidens etc):

Since the very tone of David Stodolsky's piece discussing what
Steve Bridge has said recently suggest that he wouldn't listen
to my comments, this is more general. Just like us, David Stodolsky
is an animal and motivated fundamentally by the drives of an 
animal (I mean animal in a totally nonpejorative sense). Seen from
this perspective David Stodolsky brings up ideas based on some
kind of ideal conduct of people. As a simple instance, when we
come down to basics, political organization and economic organization
will inevitably affect one another, enough that it sometimes 
happens that the distinction becomes completely false: 2 conflicting
ideas constructed of air alone, with similar traits to those
of clouds. I would say the same of libertarianism and socialism.

I do not know how his beliefs support David Stodolsky's interests,
and as I explained before, such support need not be direct and 
certainly will be complex. We do all share an interest in avoiding
death, and found that forming cryonics groups would help promote
that interest. Yes, the self-interest in cryonics shows itself in 
a complex way, but it's still there. (As HUMAN animals, we can 
show much more complex forms of altruism). 

But most of all, it helps to keep in mind that we are highly intelligent
animals, and our beliefs and behavior stem from that simple fact.

             Best wishes and long long life for all,

                     Thomas Donaldson

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