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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 13:12:25 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: Nanogirl on Cryonics

Gina Miller writes:

Message #22180
From: "Gina Miller" <>
Subject: New Cryonic Suspension Paper
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:34:08 -0700

Read a new paper The Bioethical Implications, Dilemmas And
Questions Involved With Cryonic Suspension written May 31,
2003 by Gina Miller.

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Unfortunately, while the intentions are admirable, there are
some problems with this text. It describes "Miles the Beagle"
(a resuscitation experiment staged by Paul Segall) without
mentioning the prior work by Cryovita which was far more
ambitious and useful to cryonics. It provides a very
incomplete description of the Dora Kent case. The work by
Isamu Suda resuscitating cat brains is not adequately
described.

However, the most trouble aspect is that the text insists on
describing cryonics as relying on future technology to
reverse death. Gina Miller never once raises the issue of the
definition of death, and does not suggest that today's
cryonics patients are not dead (assuming they have been well
treated) if we define death appropriately as irrevocable
destruction of the brain on a cellular level. Indeed it was a
key nanotechnology figure, Ralph Merkle, who (I think) coined
the phrase "information theoretic death"; I'm surprised that
a well-informed advocate of nanotech such as Gina Miller has
not encountered this term.

So long as we talk in terms of "reviving the dead" we are
buying in to a misconception about the nature of death which
permeates our society and is simply wrong. If a small child
who falls into a snowdrift and exhibits no vital signs for
more than two hours can be resuscitated, I believe that
person was not "dead" in the usually intended sense. The same
logic applies to cryopatients. We hope to resuscitate these
patients. We do not hope to resurrect them. Only the Good
Lord can do that, and I am hoping we won't need help of that
kind.

--Charles Platt

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