X-Message-Number: 2224 Date: 10 May 93 01:21:26 EDT From: Michael Riskin <> Subject: CRYONICS: Coldroom Economics These are some comments on recent postings by Charles Platt and Carlos Mondragon. Charles expressed concern over the use of existing patient care money for construction of -130 large coldroom storage. I second that concern quite vigorously, and never even thought that it was even a consideration until Charles mentioned it. This money is held in a sacred trust for the welfare of the existing patients. In addition, this being a first time experimental effort, there is no history whatsoever to support any good estimate on the final construction cost. Once again, Brian Wowks support of a smaller scale initial effort seems to make sense. Carlos is supporting the economies inherent in large coldroom storage. Carlos...yes, the ultimate economies are great indeed, but they are dependent on two unknowns: One, what wil it actually end up costing as compared to the initial estimate of $150,000, and two, what will the real patient population growth be compared to the various estimates being tossed about? I totally support new and improved methods of suspension and storage. I hope all Alcor suspension member feel the same. Funding can come from from many sources other that the existing patient care moneys. Private investment capital, and the endowment fund are two posssibilities. But, once again, we have a priority issue, meaning, it can be argued that all available resourses should first be used to secure a new facility. Anyone disagree agree that the current Riverside location is inappropriate to construct major storage upgrades? The statement was made that the patient care funds would be about $1,500,000, and that $150,000 coldroom construction is therefore only only 10%. Besides the fact that the $150,000 once again is a first guess figure, there is not $1,500,000 available. As of 12/31/93 , the actual amount of liquid assets was about $880,000. A lot of new patients will be necessary to get an additional $600,000 plus. If coldroom cost is $220,000 instead of $150,000 ( which I believe is a conservative calculation, since there are additional expenses not yet included) then the % of the invested patient funds become leaps from 10% to 25%. This is an unacceptably high unsecured investment. So, as soon as it appears likely that -130 suspension technology is forthcoming, I suggest a temporary lower cost -130 storage until enough -130 patients can support a full blown large scale coldroom. As an aside to all this financial anaysis, can anyone tell me where abouts the progress towards -130 suspension sits, and what the guess is as to when the first such patient might occur? Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=2224