X-Message-Number: 22262
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:40:42 +1000
From: Simon Carter <>
Subject: Re: Australian Cryonics, CryoNet Message #22256 
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Hi Peter,

Nice to know another cryonicist is heading in my general direction! I've been 
living in Brisbane for the last five years. I look forward to meeting you.

> Message #22256
> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 00:48:58 -0700
> Subject: Australian Cryonics
> From: Peter Merel <>
> 
> Bob Ettinger writes,
> 
> > Mr. Merel apparently is going to be pretty far to the northeast
> > in Queensland, so another mortician closer to him should 
> > be found, which should not be difficult.
> 
> I'll be out of the way, but not that far out of the way. Murwillumbah 
> is in New South Wales, about 1 hour south of Coolangatta and 1.5 hours 
> south of Brisbane.

Arguably one of the nicest spots on the continent Peter!

> My teahouse has a superb view of the NSW/Qld border 
> range, part of the eroded caldera of Wollumbin now covered with virgin 
> rainforest. A few snaps of same are at 
> http://www.greencheese.org/LimpinwoodTeahouse .

Envy!

> Furthermore at least some of the time I'll be ably assisted by a dear 
> friend of mine who happens to be a qualified and experienced cardiac 
> perfusionist. Of course being just 41 and in good health I rather 
> expect to employ her skills in the garden than the operating theatre 
> .. and I haven't canvassed how she feels about this particular brand 
> of lunacy ...

Now that sounds a most useful friendship - I'm not sure I can advise you on 
broaching the "particular brand of lunacy" tho'.

> Bob, do you have any clients in Brisbane or thereabouts?

I've signed up with Alcor and am a member of the Cryonics Association of 
Australia. I'm unsure whether there are any signed up cryonicists in SE 
Queensland/Northern NSW but have a vague idea there are a couple. You could 
seek further information from the CAA. One problem cryonicists certainly have 
in Australia is that we are few in number and highly dispersed. To partially 
counter this we have, as Bob mentioned, arrangements for basic suspension 
services to be performed by several mortuaries.

> > The main problem in Australia is the possibility of several days delay 
> > in paperwork, plus long flight times to Michigan.
> 
> Yes. I'm trying to avoid facing the likelihood that if I should 
> encounter a need for emergency suspension I'd most likely be completely 
> screwed.

I would not say "completely screwed" as even emergencies can result in some 
warning time before pronounciation of 'death'. Even in the US folk have been 
subjected to prolonged delay. Nevertheless such matters are of concern to us 
here.

> Just in case anyone's contemplating starting a new org or extending an 
> existing one I should point out that Australia is a tectonically stable 
> continent with no real winter,

Brrrr! It was 5'C last night here in Brisbane.

> cheap land,

Outside the cities.

> proven democracy, world's 
> best engineers and doctors, no religious extremism, the Asian market on 
> the doorstep, an active euthanasia lobby, a government open to research 
> on stem cells and cloning, and even a number of media personalities 
> willing to come out and say they're signed up for cryonics ...

I'll back you on all the above except for the latter. Who are they?

> Hmm. You know there might just be enough wealthy madmen in and around 
> Byron to find backers to start an org. Damn, I need that like a hole in 
> the head - yet another bloody megalomaniac project! Ah well, no harm in 
> talking to a few of 'em ...
> 
> Hmm again. Flicker of recollection. Didn't Phil Rhoades start down this 
> path? Phil?

Yes, you should get together with Phil. Even post your thoughts to the CAA 
list. I hope some of the other Australian cryonicists will add their thoughts 
and email you/CryoNet.

Long life,

Simon

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