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From: "David Pizer" <>
Subject: Very interesting discussions lately on Cryonet
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 03:14:52 -0700

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I don't think the real force of Descartes has to do with the mechanics(how or 
why) of thinking.  What has the force (to me) is mainly the logic.   This 
version may be circular "I think therefore I am,"  and may not be as logically 
powerful as the below version.  


It is the logic of  something like "I doubt that I am, therefore I am." that has
the power to say something that no one can successfully defeat.  This statement
doesn't have to apply to whoever the thinker/speaker is at the time.  It is 
saying "Whatever thing can doubt its existence, must (at least while it is 
doubting) exist."   A good starting point, but aside from proving that doubting 
(and therefore thinking) things exists, by itself can't do much more ----  yet.
Perhaps someone on this forum will connect it to thinking in such a way that 
will launch the physical immortality movement in a bigger way?


In the meantime, I find the previous discussions/investigations (as pertains to 
how we think and can we become immortal thinking beings) on Descartes (and 
Leibniz to a lessor degree) very interesting.

David Pizer

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