X-Message-Number: 2232 Date: 11 May 93 01:56:59 EDT From: Michael Riskin <> Subject: CRYONICS: More on the Coldroom Finances Brian Wowk argues that PCF investment in a coldroom benefits current patients because future coldroom patients will be grossly overfunded due to the vastly superior economies of lowered yearly storage cost. Two comments: The final cost of the first functional coldroom is simply unknown, which by definition makes it an unacceptable risk for patient care funds. It is perfectly reasonable for R and D type funding from various other sources. Second, when the coldroom , with its' far lower yearly storage costs becomes a reality, something interesting may occur. Current funding minimums are in great substance a function of yearly patient storage cost. That is, according to current blue book figures, 40% of neuros and 70% of wholebody suspension funding. When yearly storage costs is lowered by up to 80%, and of course the technology becomes commonplace among competing cryonics organizations, then a corresponding reduction in funding minimums will occur. This is of course due to competition, and the ever popular price demand curve which will allow lowered prices to attract more suspension members. Voila! The excess -130 patient funding touted by Brian benefitting LN2s vanishes. Suppose whole body minimum funding drops to $70,000. (A reasonable number based on Brians estimated cost savings). Wouldnt any suspension member with minimum fundings of say $120,000 have the option to divert $50,000 to other uses? It is probably in wholebody where the greatest price reduction will take place since yearly storage is a far greater factor than for neuros currently. So, the price differential between neuro and WB becomes smaller. The current 1993 differential is $120,000 vs $41,000 or $79,000. If whole bodies drop to $70,000, neuros wont drop to minus $9000. More likely the number will be about $30-35,000 to cover cost of suspension plus storage . I recognize that many neuros wouldnt pay one cent more to be a WB. However, this price change should attract a whole lot more WB members but not as many increased neuro; the corresponding price reduction is just not that significant. Anyway, it is just as possible for me that use of current PCF for coldroom construction will have no benefit for LN2 patients (let alone possible losses) as it is possible for Brian that the same proposition would be of great benefit to LN2 patients. Not an OK risk in my opinion. Lets press ahead with technological advances...just not use the patients money. Not that anyone is interested or will ask, but I am a wholebody suspension member , and would personally benefit greatly from the use of current PCF to get lower priced storage asap. Once again, I am urging effective use of the Endowment fund. I can see it being used for facility purchase and such as small or large scale coldrooms. And, I continue to recommend use of the PCF for an improved facility. This will not only help current patients, but provide space for future large coldrooms. The current PCF, owning facility space could lease it out to future patients thereby not only earning money on real estate appreciation, but generating income as well, while saving rental expense. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=2232