X-Message-Number: 2262 Date: Mon, 17 May 93 11:09:07 -0700 From: Subject: CRYONICS Newsletter l2num2.asc THE TRANS TIMES Life Extension through Cryonic Suspension Volume 2 Number 2 April 1993 Identity Preservation by Art Quaife, Ph.D. The debate concerning the relative merits of whole-body preservation versus neuropreservation has been going on for twenty years. In more recent years, there has been much discussion of the possibility of uploading individual consciousness into a computer. I have read many of these debates, and find that most of the philosophical discussion goes right over my head. I believe that neuropreservation is a mistake, and that uploading is extremely implausible, for very simple-minded reasons. Neuropreservation As cryonicists, we seek to extend our selves, our consciousness, our identity, far in to the future. Does anyone really believe that all of the determinants of their identity reside above their neck? I don't. I don't know how to measure this, but my intuition says that 85-90% of identity is determined above the neck, with the balance below the neck. In particular, the nervous system does NOT end at the neck! My brain has a fine relationship with the organs below my neck. They have been communicating with each other and living happily together for all of my life. If it is ever possible to attach a revived head to a cloned body, that head (brain) is going to be in for quite a shock, because the new torso is not going to have the learning in it that the original had. Whether the consciousness that emerges from the old brain adapting to the new body is close enough to the original consciousness to count as "identity preservation", I do not know. I do know that I wouldn't bet my life on it. When we understand so little about consciousness and its relation to the physical functioning of the brain and body, it is prudent to save as much of the individual as possible. We lose a significant amount of information about an individual in discarding that person's torso. Sometimes when I read about the miracles of repair that nanotechnology will bring about, I stop to reflect that today, we can't even cure the common cold. Billions of dollars have been poured into cancer research over the past few decades, with relatively small progress. As cryonicists we are forced to hope that esoteric repair capabilities will become available in the future, for otherwise all is lost for the patients of today. But why push this hope any farther than necessary? Whole-body patients are an odds-on bet to come out of suspension long before neuro patients. All of the proposals for rebuilding the suspended individual into someone much better than the original raise the same question: does the individual's consciousness survive this rebuilding? Until the answers are in, don't bet your self on it. Whatever the nature of personal identity, it does seem to be wrapped up in physical continuity of the individual's body. There are many thought experiments that can be posed, of the form "suppose we tease a person's brain apart into many parts, replace some of these parts with new parts, and put it back together. Does the person's identity survive?" My answer is that I do not know, but please try these experiments many times on many other people before you try them on me! Mobility One advantage of neuropreservation is that the patients are more readily transportable than whole-body patients. Some neuopreservation advocates claim that Dora Kent is still in suspension today *only* because she was a neuro patient, and could readily be moved out of the coroner's harmful way. I disagree. As I heard the story, the coroner's office only got involved in that case because they were notified that Alcor (another cryonics organization) was attempting to dispose of a headless corpse. Without that torso to excite their interest, the nasty confrontation probably never would have occurred. Duplicates Some cryonicists suggest that we could have lots of versions of ourselves around, and that this is great, because they will provide *backup* against the disaster that we might be wiped out, much as computer backup tapes protect against loss of files. But suppose that a matter duplicator (or a cloner) is able to make an extremely similar copy of me. Of course it would not be *identical* to me, because at the very least I am *here* and it is *there*. I cannot imagine any amount of argument that would convince me that I could now allow myself to be exterminated, content in the belief that "I" will live on in that copy. Thus the belief that a copy could have the "same" consciousness that I have seems to be based upon a confused belief that it is possible to make an "identical copy" of an individual. It is not; there is no such thing as an "identical copy". The only object that is identical to X is X itself. Other objects may be *similar* to X in various ways -- have the same color, shape, mass -- but they are not identical to X. Any other object Y differs from X at least in having a different spatial location. In the case that X is a conscious entity, that difference from Y is all-important to X. Uploading The Turing test is an excellent test for determining whether intelligent machines exist. I have little doubt that some machines will pass the Turing test within a century. (They *already* do, if we restrict the interrogation to *very* limited domains of knowledge. The relatively simple artificial intelligence program Eliza has fooled many people into believing they were communicating with a psychologist.) But *intelligence* is not at all the same thing as *consciousness*. Intelligence is readily observable; it is behavior we can readily test for. Indeed we already do measure it with the Stanford-Binet test, a test we could equally well give to a machine. Consciousness is something much more mysterious, and apparently of another realm from the physical world, but nonetheless of primary importance to us. It is not at all clear how we could even go about testing whether a machine is conscious. I have heard uploaders argue that consciousness is like a computer program, and that the same program can run on different hardware. Thus, they argue, my consciousness might run on my brain, or equally well on a Cray computer of the future. Now if you combine a computer program to invert a matrix with various programs to diagnose disease, write a sonnet, play the piano, and a few thousand other such abilities, all running under a smooth enough control program, you will have a machine that exhibits intelligent behavior. But surely few people believe that a Fortran program is *conscious* while inverting a matrix. It is also questionable whether any more intelligent program would be conscious. Even if machines can be conscious, that does not imply that they can take on *your* consciousness. For if it is extremely implausible or even self-contradictory that another person ("meat-machine") could also have your identity, then it is doubly implausible that a silicon machine could have your identity. Uploading is only a hope for the future, not an option for today. But neuropreservation *is* an option for today, and many are taking it, mistakenly in my view. We all have to make our best choice, pay our money and take our chances. But the stakes are high: if one bets wrong, the result can be fatal. For perspective, let me state that my suspension arrangements instruct TRANS TIME to freeze *any* of my biological remains that are found. It is most unlikely that my identity will ever be recon-structed from a recovered fingernail, but then I have nothing to lose. Neuropreservation is vastly superior to fingernail preservation. But whole body is better yet, when the goal is *identity* preservation. Editor's Note: Now that the definitive words on neuropreservation and uploading have been written, surely we will all move on to other questions. Do the Markets Forecast the Future? by Peter H. Christiansen Last Spring, when the deterioration of the California economy began to accelerate, I realized I might be retiring from public employment even sooner than planned and I began studying for the NASD Series 7 (stockbroker) examination. Somehow I managed to pass the exam in February and I am now moonlighting as a stockbroker evenings and weekends (my first transaction -- BioTime -- a buy!) And in my free time I am enrolled in the American College two year Chartered Financial Consultant (ChFC/CLU) credential program. While being a stockbroker is a new experience, my interest in finance and the markets is not. My grandfather, who spoke little English and so tended to sum things up in very few words, once told me that "the stock market is a place where you can get rich by betting on progress." And indeed there is much truth in that statement. That is why we use the markets to help measure and forecast economic activity and why we can also use the markets to help us measure and predict progress, i.e., scientific, technological and social change. For example, although the American public is not yet aware of it, investors are starting to notice that a revolution is taking place in the way in which Americans resolve their disputes. More and more businesses and individuals are opting to resolve their disputes by mediation or arbitration that enables them to choose their own judges, get a speedy decision, and keep legal bills to a minimum. The Wall Street Journal reported March 22, 1993 that in 1992 more than 60,000 civil cases that would have gone to court went instead to the non-profit American Arbitration Association for mediation or arbitration, (arbitration is binding, mediation is not). Another 40,000 cases, however, were submitted to private "for profit" companies that provide mediation and arbitration on a "fee for service" basis. According to the Journal, the appeal of the new private mediation firms is that they "customize mediation or arbitration to fit the needs of the disputing parties. Mediators can engage in shuttle diplomacy or express their opinion on the value of a lease. Lawyers can be banned from the conference room and . . . the pretrial fact-finding stage known as discovery, which can last years, can be streamlined to the simple exchange of a few documents." The nonprofit Center for Public Resources has tracked, since 1990, 406 companies that have saved more than $150 million in legal fees and expert-witness costs by using litigation alternatives. The Journal quotes Howard V. Golub, general counsel for Pacific Gas and Electric Co., who says "I think that we're witnessing the emergence of a [free] market in dispute resolution which is challenging the traditional state-owned monopoly in dispute resolution . . . the courts." The most successful of these private mediation companies is JAMS (Judicial Arbitration and Mediation Services) based in Orange, California which uses more than 200 former judges as mediators. JAMS received a $15 million infusion of venture capital in 1990 from E. M. Warburg, Pincus and Co. and plans to go public later next year. Endispute, which was founded by a Washington D.C. lawyer and a law professor at Boston University last year, raised $3 million in venture capital from Massey Burch Investment Group and Point Venture Partners and used part of the money to open an office in San Francisco. Judicate Inc., which was founded in 1983, went public in 1985 and currently trades over the counter at between $1 and $2 a share. Seattle based U.S. Arbitration and Mediation Inc. has 45 offices nationwide. The growth of rational alternatives for resolution of disputes is just another indication that human beings are continuing to move from brawn to brains. This is probably why the U.S. Congress has officially declared the 1990s as "The Decade of the Brain." No, this doesn't mean the federal government is taking a position in the Neuro v. Whole Body controversy. Probably somebody told the members of congress that there are over 1,000 disorders of the central nervous system (brain and spinal cord), that 20% of the U.S. population is afflicted by at least one of them, and that one-third of the U.S. health care bill goes to the treatment of diseases and disorders of the brain and spinal cord. Lissa Morgenthaler, writing in the February 8, 1993 Barron's, discusses the scientific and financial prospects of the Neuroscience companies that are working to develop "brain drugs" that would not only reduce human suffering but could also cut health care costs dramatically. Ms. Morgenthaler states that a cure for Alzheimer's would save the U.S. around $90 billion annually. "Indeed, you could spend $20 a day on a drug or drugs to keep Alzheimer's victims functioning and still save $80 a day . . . . And ultimately it won't just be Alzheimer's victims taking a miracle drug, it'll be all of us. Scientific evidence suggests that slowing the process that leads to dementia will be a lot easier than reviving dead neurons. Thus, as the potential for lifespans of 120 years becomes more real [emphasis added], people will start taking drugs to slow senile dementias, just as they now take aspirin to fend off heart attacks -- and they'll start when they're babies." These are some of the companies Ms. Morgenthaler mentions that are currently doing work in the neurosciences, and some of the research they are doing: Alkermes -- ferrying drugs across the blood/brain barrier; Athena Neurosciences -- Alzheimer's; Cambridge Neurosciences -- epilepsy, depression, schizophrenia; Cephalon -- Alzheimer's; CoCensys -- epilepsy, anxiety, sleep disorders; Cortex Pharmaceuticals -- Alzheimer's, cognitive enhancers; CytoTherapeutics -- semi-permeable implants for Parkinson's; Genetic Therapy -- viruses to cure brain tumors; Neurogen -- drugs for anxiety. Additionally Apollo Genetics, of Cambridge, Massachusetts, is developing drugs to combat age-associated brain dysfunction. Upcoming Meeting TRANS TIME holds bimonthly business meetings at which visitors are welcome. The next meeting is scheduled for Sunday, June 27, 1:00 p.m. at: The Home of Judy and Paul Segall 1003 Middlefield Road Berkeley, CA 94708 (510) 644-3153 Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=2262