X-Message-Number: 22706
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:39:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Randall Burns <>
Subject: Re: CryoNet #22700 - #22704

The United States already accepts more immigrants than
EU countries with a substantially larger population.

I personally find it quite plausible that we'll see
all countries starting to close their borders as the
world fills up. It isn't like the "globalism"
experiment has no detractors. I also find it quite
plausible that when space is opened up, we'll see a
tendency away from multi-national states. Globalism
and multi-national states have both been largely
driven by attempts on the part of elites to avoid wars
through economic integration.

http://www.nwc.navy.mil/newrulesets/ (more on that
topic). Stuff like 911 indicates that attempt may not
be successful. I can believe that if WW IV turns hot
(WW III being the cold war), then we'll see both some
of the advancements necesary for space travel and with
that a tendency towards re-establishment of national
or clan based states(similar to what we saw in Europe
after the breakup of the Roman empire).

--- CryoNet <> wrote:
 > Message #22702
> From: "Robin Helweg-Larsen"
> <>
> Subject: Population and immigration
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:58:13 -0400
> Bob Thimblerig seems not to like immigrants to the
> United States.  Many
> native peoples might agree with him; but increasing
> population movements are
> a reality, world-wide, for the foreseeable future.
> So if you're not comfortable with a very mobile and
> diverse world, you might
> like to rethink plans to wake up 100 years in the
> future.

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