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From: "John de Rivaz" <>
Subject: Libertarians and organ transplants
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:43:57 +0100

This might interest some of you ...

particularly this bit

  It is also a cruel and sick joke that while Mr. Evans labels free trade
  as "abhorrent", and claims to defend human rights and dignity, he in
  fact endorses the National Socialist (Nazi) view that men and women's
  bodies are not their own property, but the property of the state.

This relates particularly to compulsory autopsy, more on
<http://www.autopsychoice.com .


I would comment here that the subject of people selling organs for money is
something I do have problems with, in exactly the same way as I have
problems with any healthy person voluntarily giving up an organ to help
someone else. The matter of choice isn't as black and white as the message
below suggests. Once the option is available, the choice becomes a matter of
"give up your kidney (or liver section or whatever) or see your <friend,
relation  die", and although people really don't want to give up their
kidney they are forced into it by the threat hanging over them if they don't
(implicit in the way other members of the group will treat them if they
don't). Exactly the same thing happens with people in poor countries where
the choice is "give up your kidney or get beaten up because you have debts",
(or see your friends and relations get beaten up).

I have absolutely no idea of how governments can help or indeed even if
governments could help.

Eventually the problem will go away with stem cell technology growing cloned
organs for specific patients and maybe the best thing governments could do
is to fast track development of this with as few regulatory hurdles as
possible. Stem cell organ cloning should be treated on the same basis as
development of a war effort against an enemy nation -- usually regulations
go by the wayside when there is a war to be fought and technology needs
development for that purpose.

Sincerely, John de Rivaz: <http://John.deRivaz.com  for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy, Nomad .. and

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dr Chris R. Tame" <
Sent: 23 October 2003 01:25
Subject: News Release: Proposed EU Ban on Organ Transplant 'Tourism' Is
Morally Obscene

  In Association with the Libertarian International

  Release Date: 23 October 2003
  Release Time: Immediate

  Contact Details: Dr Chris R. Tame, 07957 644519
  For other contact and link details, see the foot of this message


  The Libertarian Alliance, the radical free market and civil liberties
  think tank and pressure group, has today condemned a proposed EU ban on
  so-called "organ transplant tourism" as morally obscene as well as
  economically harmful.

  Libertarian Alliance Director, Dr Chris Tame commented:

  Individuals have an absolute ownership over themselves and an absolute
  moral right to sell their own organs. Moreover, the EU is doing poor
  people in the Third World no favours by trying to prevent them from
  bettering their economic position by engaging in free trade. British
  Labour MEP Robert Evans, who is promoting this ban smears voluntary free
  market trade as "exploitation", but it is only such so-called
  "exploitation" that creates - as history and economic science have
  conclusively shown - economic progress and prosperity for ordinary

  Proposed EU Policy is a Nazi Policy

  It is also a cruel and sick joke that while Mr. Evans labels free trade
  as "abhorrent", and claims to defend human rights and dignity, he in
  fact endorses the National Socialist (Nazi) view that men and women's
  bodies are not their own property, but the property of the state. Evans
  thus calls for a form of nationalisation of our bodies, where people
  might - or might not - be allowed to opt out of the state confiscation
  of body parts after death, and a policy of state controlled rationing.

  It is even more morally obscene that Mr Evans, in his published case for
  the ban, seems unable to distinguish between genuine criminal acts -
  "the removal of a living organ from a living donor using force, threats
  or fraud", with the moral and decent acts of "the payment, offer or
  promise of a financial consideration to a donor".

  Evans Should Apologise and Resign His Post

  Mr. Evans is Vice President of the European Parliament's "Citizen's
  Rights, Justice and Home Affairs Committee". His shameful proposal would
  further destroy real human rights and justice. He is clearly not a fit
  person to hold such a position, and we call on him to do the decent
  thing - to resign and apologise for his Nazi proposals.

  The EU Death machine

  The EU proposals are also a further manifestation of crass hypocrisy. If
  the EU genuinely wanted to help the Third World it would end its
  protective tariffs against Third World goods - especially agricultural
  produce. Such tariffs, according to the recent report of the Brussels-
  based think tank, The Centre for the New Europe, lead to an estimated
  death of 275 people every hour! (See Note 3 below)

  Dr. Tame concludes:

  Not only should this proposed EU ban on free trade in body parts be
  opposed, but the existing law against such beneficial transactions in
  Britain should also be repealed without delay.


  Notes to Editors

  (1) Dr. Chris R. Tame is the founder and Director of the Libertarian
  Alliance. He is a prolific writer and lecturer on many topics in
  sociology, economics, philosophy and the history of ideas. He can be
  contacted for further comment at 07957 644519 or by email at

  (2) Details of the proposed EU ban, and MEP Robert Evans's support
  for it, can be obtained from Robert Evans MEP: Tell 07785 290546; or
  from Helen Kearns: Tell 0478 585281; or by email from

  (3) The CNE Report "EU Trade Barriers Kill" can be found at
  [News Release]
  [Report in pdf form]

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