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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:27:25 EST
Subject: Re: President Bush 

From Steve Bridge
Re: Message #22959
From: "Paul Pagnato" <>
Subject: Re: CryoNet 22956
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 10:25:17 -0800

Paul stated:

>RE: #22956 President Bush &Jerry Searcy:
>
>I didn't start it....politics..... but "President Bush" is an idiot and the 
biggest danger to our once free society, including >Cryonics. Next you will 
brag about Laura Bush who went up on a DWI charge after killing/murdering a 
person in Texas >and of course she never spent one day in jail. Do you also 
support that the Bush Sr's going back to "during/while our >troops were being 

killed" in WWII owned the coal mines in Poland that were rented by the Nazi's 
for 
Aushwitz Camps to >kill Jews, Gays, and Gypsies and the killing of our U.S. 
troops in the battlefields ? 

I am certainly no supporter of George Bush and his policies, but mixing in 

sloppy research and irrelevancies does not help ones case.  A person who reports
as sloppily as Paul does loses his credibility in general.

Laura Bush (President Bush's wife) did run a stop sign when she was *17* 

years old (when she was Laura Welch) and tragically crash into the car driven by
her own boyfriend, killing him.  There is no apparent truth to the rumor that 
she was DWI (driving while intoxicated).  The police reports from the time 

state that neither driver had been drinking.  No charges were filed against Miss

Welch, but that has nothing to do with the fact that many years later she would
marry George Bush, Jr.  The police in Texas have no special powers to 

foretell the future.  Whether or not the police made a mistake in filing no 
charges 
against her, this incident is completely *irrelevant* to any criticism of 

George W. Bush today, and only makes the people who bring it up look like rumor
mongers who will babble about anything to get their way.

The coal mines in Poland were owned by a company, of which two of the 
managers were Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker, the current President's 

*grandfathers,* not father.  There seems to be a possibility that the Bush 
family 
gained financially from dealing with the Nazi's. I am not sure that even this, 

if really true, is very relevant to the behavior of the current President Bush.
 It is certainly LESS relevant than the mistakes he is actually making 

himself.  It is a very weak argument to criticize someone because of actions 
taken 
by his grandparents.

In general, if you have several good arguments and several weak arguments to 
support your position, the weak arguments drag down and devalue the good 
arguments.  Half truths, whether about cryonics or presidents, always make for 
unintelligent discourse.

Steve Bridge


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