X-Message-Number: 23032
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 17:44:03 -0800
From: James Swayze <>
Subject: New autopsy not so good
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>Message #23024
>From: "Bryan Hall" <>
>Subject: New kind of autopsy
>Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:45:16 -0800
>There is a news article about a new kind of autopsy which causes much less
>damage to the body. The procedure utilizes two types of imaging--computed
>tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance (MR)--to generate a 3-D computer
>model of the body.
>-Bryan Hall

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. It may well be something that 
needs special consideration and planning for. This is due to the fact 
that though it sounds good on the surface it could actually work 
disastrously against us. Some of us have joined the Society for 
Venturism, for instance, for many personal reasons but one in particular 
is it's pseudo religious attribute as even recognized by the IRS. This 
is for the purpose of avoiding autopsy.

At first level this new autopsy procedure is not really a help because 
it is warming the brain we wish to avoid and in that neither this nor 
the old kind allows us survival. Next there is now the possibility that 
traditional religious objection based upon body maiming may disappear. 
Before this, for instance, our "friend" Dani Kollen could object upon 
the basis of his faith and hopefully, except perhaps in the case of 
violence, avoid the delay that would melt his brain making cryonics 
pointless. Owing to this line below in the article this may go away as 
more and more people of Dani's faith and other faiths become slowly 
acclimated to adopting this procedure in order to acquiesce to 
government pressure.

"It can also be used in cultures and situations where autopsy is not 
tolerated by religion, such as in the traditional Jewish faith, or is 
rejected by family members. Some people do not like the idea of autopsy."

The next huge problem is noted in the following.

Time of death is established by measuring the changing brain metabolites 
given off as the body decomposes."

This is terribly bad for us. This would mean that even an attemopt to 
meet halfway and perhaps agree to a non invasive autopsy so long as the 
brain was allowed to be chilled would be made moot by their need to let 
the brain rot for their time of death measurement.

This looks extremely dangerous for us. Those not privy to nor carring 
about the details of cryonics procedures and needs would think they 
could get around our objection to autopsy with this alleged 'kinder 
gentler' version, when in fact it would be just as bad as before. It's a 
wolf in sheeps clothing.


Cryonics Institute of Michigan 	http://www.cryonics.org
The Immortalist Society 	http://www.cryonics.org/info.html
The Society for Venturism 	http://www.venturist.org
Immortality Institute 		http://www.imminst.org

MY WEBSITE: http://www.davidpascal.com/swayze/

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