X-Message-Number: 23205
From: randy <>
Subject: Re: CryoNet #23199 - #23203
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 10:20:11 -0600
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Platt wrote:

>Ron Bailey is a nice guy but his diatribe against socialist
>economies is simplistic and ignores some cases which
>contradict his bias, such as Finland. I have visited Finland,
>where they still have a Lenin museum, public housing is the
>norm, and socialism is not a bad word. The Finns are doing
>very well indeed.

So are all the other social democracies in Europe & Canada and
Australia; in fact, just about every study shows that most social
democratic Europeans live a better life than most Americans, once you
factor in leisure time, increased freedom from stress because of not
having to worry about future medical care expenses and other safety
net issues.


>
>I could discuss the reasons for this, but the topic is
>totally irrelevant to the supposed priorities of readers of
>CryoNet. Our primary concern (or so I naively imagined) is to
>live in a system which allows maximum liberty for
>"controversial" pursuits such as stem-cell cloning, nanotech
>research, and (a word that is seldom mentioned here)
>cryonics.
>
>In a system where government is not constrained by
>constitutional rights reserved by the people, or where a
>constitution exists but is ignored by the courts (as was the
>case in the USSR), there is a much higher probability (on
>average) of laws that will interfere with our rights to
>replicate ourselves, re-engineer ourselves, and cryopreserve
>ourselves. Therefore, it would be sensible for us to seek a
>system which protects the liberty of individuals to govern
>their lives and do whatever they want with their minds and
>bodies and the things that they own, provided they don't
>infringe on the rights of others. This is the fundamental
>tenet of libertarianism.
>
>What is so hard to understand about this?
>

What about assisted suicide, which as we all know, could be a huge
boom to cryopreservation? If you want that, the social democracies are
about the only place to go.




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