X-Message-Number: 23291 From: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:13:14 EST Subject: Re: CryoNet #23286 - #23290 In a message dated 1/21/04 2:01:23 AM, writes: << Message #23290 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:04:11 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Platt <> Subject: cat brains >> It seems to me that people who are really interested in the physiological science as a test of feasibility of cryonics would not be disturbed by cat experiments and animal rights people are probably going to have a hard time with cryonics anyway. However, for those with genuine scientific interests, wanting to believe but appropriately skeptical, the more disturbing aspect of the Suda work is that these experiments are now 40 years old and apparently there has been no consistent thread of research building on Suda's work. Did he reach a dead end? Did he die? What happened to his lab? What was the over-all objective of those studies? I, for one, would like to know the answers to these questions. I think an up-to-date concise summary of the research basis of cryonics which discusses the various animal models and their appropriateness is in order and might be helpful in persuading open science-oriented minds. I gather that contemporary work at CI and perhaps other places uses mice, partly because mice are cheap and relatively easy to care for, but also, I suspect, because mice don't attract too much attention from animal rights people. In fact, mice are actually a pretty good model, being fellow mammals quite a long way up the phylogenetic scale. When and if we can get good resuscitation data from mice, we will be well on our way to advanced perfusion protocols for humans. Ron Havelock Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=23291