X-Message-Number: 23409 From: (Rick Potvin) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:43:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: (((Special Bulletin))) David Hayes has given me permission to repost his email to me to Cryonet, so here it is. It's his response regarding Dave Pizer's questions from a week ago. Rick Potvin, Creator of Cryonet Cafe http://network54.com/forum/54032 Content-Disposition: Inline Received: from smtpin-3202.bay.webtv.net (209.240.204.227) by storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 08:55:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.airface.com (ns2.airface.com [208.233.96.253]) by smtpin-3202.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id CDB97FE0F for <>; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 08:55:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from DavidHayes (air208237123138.airface.com [208.237.123.138] (may be forged)) by ns2.airface.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i19Gw9k6039495; Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:58:27 -0500 (EST) From: "David Hayes" <> To: "'Rick Potvin'" <> Cc: "David Shumaker" <>, "Charles Platt" <> Subject: RE: Dave Pizer's questions Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:55:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c3ef2d$92d73510$> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <> X-Brightmail: Message tested, results are inconclusive Rick, Please understand that SA is a privately held corporation trying to make positive changes in this industry. We are not of the mindset that answering inflammatory questions like those posted by Mr. Pizer on our industries very public forum can do anything other than harm Cryonics. Mr. Pizer asked questions about issues unrelated to our announcements or business model. We do not consider ourselves in competition with Alcor or, are we here only to serve Alcor but his post implies exactly that. We are a complimentary addition to all long term storage organizations and work hard to be seen as that. On a personal note: I have been a loyal and active Alcor member for almost 10 years. During this time I have watched Cryonet be misused by individuals for the sole purpose of boosting their ego through unprofessional attacks on individuals or organizations. Charles Platt says it best when he says "Many Cryonicists are narcissistic." As long as his statement is true our industry will remain a fringe science. I believe, as many do, that these public attacks hurt our industry and I would urge all Cryonicists to Stop, or force others to stop the use of Cryonet for the public display of personal vendettas. Cryonet is often the first introduction people (especially the media) have when investigating cryonics. Using it to publicly trash each other only reinforces our image as a bunch of freaks. Can we as Cryonicists tell prospective members to go to Cryonet in order to understand cryonics? No, we must predicate that with "Oh don't worry about all the crazy posts up there. We do have some weirdo's!" We will never be taken seriously by the mainstream medical community and ultimately our societies until we appear professional on our own public face. If there is a problem that affects you in our industry, then by all means point it out but leave the personal commentary and innuendo out of it. Mr. Pizer is openly critical of SA and has stated that he will not use our companies' services. This is fine and his prerogative. Why then, would he put up questions so grossly mischaracterizing my statements for any other reason than to fuel a fire in a public forum? I hope one day he realizes his actions perpetuate our "freak" image and he can exercise some form of self control. SA is always open to investigation from interested individuals. We have an exciting story to tell and yes we have an occasional setback, but what we are doing is hard, very hard. Still, we continue to move forward and work at being a professional organization that cares about not only our customers but our industry as a whole. I hope that the few very vocal and self centered people that post based on their daily mood will understand the damage they do to our industry and behave with a modicum of professionalism. I am happy to answer any questions you might have about our company with the understanding that we are a privately held corporation with interests to protect. Myself and my business partner David Shumaker are open and honest about this business because we care about our industry and believe that only through professional behavior can we move into a time when Cryonics is taken seriously. In regards to the comments about the damage being done to SA by ignoring his post, let's be realistic. Only you and he continue to wildly speculate on the issues and we have actually received requests from cryonics members asking for information about SA services because of his post. It seems his intention of publicly humiliating SA has backfired. Cryonics 1. Narcissism 1000. Only when we all act like professionals can those numbers change and for the good of our industry, they must. Sincerely, David Hayes COO/CFO Suspended Animation, Inc 561-997-4062 -----Original Message----- From: Rick Potvin [mailto:] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:55 AM To: Subject: Dave Pizer's questions Hi David Hayes. I might be mistaken or somehow not on track here, but I was under the impression that you were going to respond to Dave Pizer's posts last week. Is there anything you can say publicly, on Cryonet about that? Some cryonicists feel you've left us hanging. In the interests of public relations, even a short statement about your website speaking for itself, for example, would suffice at this point. Even better would be an appearance on Cryonet Cafe at http://network54.com/forum/54032 where your lack of response is a headline. Thanks for any statement you can make, at all. ~~Rick Potvin. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=23409