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From: "Geoff Lee" <>
Subject: Multiple Cryonics - An Addition to Cryonics 
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:06:11 +1100

The information that this document/posting is based on comes from a document

entitled "Second Language (Idea)" (the Reference) by Pseudo_Intellectual.  I 
also read  

another document that contained the same sort of things as "the Reference", but 
I will
essentially stick to "the Reference" here.

The following is stated in "the Reference":

"It's been observed by numerous medical professionals that following trauma (eg.
a stroke or damage caused by removing a brain tumor) in or around Broca's area

(the language centre of the brain) that occasionally the part of the brain where
the damage

occurred happened to be the location where the first language - but not 
necessarily 

language in its entirety  - lived.  This manifests in the bewildering spectacle 
of the  

recovering victim permanently losing their first language, and having to rely 
entirely on their

(frequently less-apt) second or later languages (a second or later language 
learnt well after

early childhood - say a language learnt in adulthood), which would be residing 
in a nearby and

undamaged portion of the brain. Of course, given that approximately 25% of brain
tumors

hit around Broca's area, the area where later language lives is as likely to be 
struck as

the area where the first language lives - but so long as you have a later 
language you 
are packing a spare."

So far all credit to writer of "the Reference".


"The Reference" will now be adapted to cryonics with a number of bells and 
whistles thrown

in for good measure.   To do this, I will take a hypothetical scenario.  There 
are two 

persons, A and B, who are identical twins.  Both A and B grow up becoming native

speakers of English.  Of the two, only person B studies and acquires a second 
language

- functionality in Spanish during this person's 20s.  Person B maintains the 
Spanish skills

throughout the first life cycle.  Both A and B are also members of the same 
cryonics 

organisation.  At 85 years of age plus, both have a heartattack on the same day 
and

as a result of this, both are cryonically suspended at the same time by the same
cryonics

organisation. Also both suspensions are essentially identical.  For both A and 
B, preservation in

the area of the brain where the first language resides is not good - very 
advanced 

nanothechnology would be needed to repair the damage.  For both A and B, 
preservation 

in the area of the brain where a second language would typically reside is very 
good

as is preservation in the area(s) of the brain where their memories are that 
best define them  -
sophisticated rewarming techniques and some not too extreme extensions to 

existing medical technologies are needed to get these parts of the brain 
functioning
again.
 

The above results in person B being able to commence the second life cycle (say)
150 years

after deanimation, while this person's twin, person A , can only commence the 
second life cycle 

(say) 600 years after deanimation due to the time required to research and 
develop the very

sophisticated advanced nanotechnologies that are needed.  Here, I am assuming 
that a

combination of the language and memory subsystems of the brain is its critical 
component.

The sum of these two sub-systems combined, I would think, would be greater than 
the sum

of the two individual sub-sytems.  Therefore, both would need to be ready to be 
put into good

working condition in order to reanimate a person and thus the relative early 
reanimation of

person B compared with person A.  Improvisation could be made if necessary with 
other sub-systems

such as the visual sub-system by employing artificial technologies.  In 
addition, I would think that

you could say that the language sub-system of the brain is an area that contains
important 
specialized memories. This is why I have linked language and memory. 
 
Furthermore, why not work towards developing technologies that allow different
cryopreservation techniques and technologies to be applied to the same brain.

Apply one technology to the area of the brain where the first language resides 
and another

technology to the area of the brain where the (university learnt) second 
language resides.

Also, apply one technology to the memories that define a person in a bit of a 
distorted way 

when (say) 30 and another to the memories that define the person just before 
they need to 

be cryonically suspended at (say)  85.  The difference might be something as 
simple as

a 5% change in the concentration of the cryoprotectant.  This way a person who 
is cryonically

suspended doesn't have to rely on just one set of cryonics procedures and 
technologies. 
 

To illustrate the above further, say a new cryonic suspension technology becomes
available, 

but it is assessed as very high risk (even within the boundary conditions of 
cryonics itself) -

a person could be reanimated after 40 years (very high risk - possible high pay 
out), but 

this figure could be as high as 2000 years (very high risk - possible enormous 
loss). With

the existing cryonic suspension technology it is assessed that under ideal 
conditions a person 

could be rereanimated after just 150 years.  It is also assessed that there is 
little variation to

this figure.  With multiple cryonics a person could have both the very high risk
new cryonics

suspension technology and the existing cryonics suspension technology applied at
deanimation.

By doing this a person would have to accept that they may be reanimated with the
mind set of

(say) a 30 year old Spanish speaking person or the mindset of (say) an 85 year 
old English 

speaking person. This could also have been ... 85 year old Spanish speaking ... 
etc.  This also
assumes that the person is reanimated at the earliest opportunity.


Note that overall risk is reduced with multiple cryonics - the author of "the 
reference" stated

that so long as you have a later language you are packing a spare. One downside 
to multiple

cryonics is that it would be very difficult to do in comparison with standard 
cryonics. 


I am not claiming what I have written here is 100% accurate - the main purpose 
of this document 
is to put these ideas onto the table.        
 


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