X-Message-Number: 23702
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:30:18 -0800
Subject: Re: FDGD Plan -- with event idea
From: Kennita Watson <>

Keith Henson <> wrote:
> At least one politically active local is favorable toward cryonics.  It
> might be worth running a poll to find out how the community feels about
> it.  The business community has been impressed with the income.  It is 
> not
> entirely out of the question that fairly minor efforts there could get 
> the
> local ordinance reversed if someone wanted to give it a try.

Thanks, Keith!  These will go into my "possible outreach efforts" files.
I wonder if it would make most sense to try to run such a poll now,
when the FDGD are fresh in people's minds, or later in the year, or
close to next year's event?  Maybe a poll could be held at the event,
and/or attendees could be sent home with a URL or email address to
send reactions to?  And what kinds of questions should be on such a 
and just how brief should it be (one question, three, five, more)?

What do people think of this: Have a set of large jars with slots in the
top to drop money in.  Any money dropped in the jars goes to <worthy
cause>.  The jars are labelled (approximately):

	Cryonics is a crock and will never work, but this is a great party.
	Cryonics is a long shot -- I'll keep watching.
	Cryonics is a cool idea -- I wish I could afford it.
	Cryonics is great -- where do I sign up?
	I have no opinion; I just want to donate to <worthy cause>.

Tell the event organizers the results, with our commentary, after it's
all over, and publicize that we made a donation.  We can have a place
near the jars for interested people to put a slip of paper with contact

We can vote on <worthy cause>.
> ...
> These things take on a life of their own.  I don't think any efforts 
> on our
> part are going to affect the level of publicity Trygve gets.  (There 
> is a
> possible exception, if Alcor were to take over care for Trygve's
> grandfather, it seems likely it would *decrease* the publicity.)

That, I believe is the main reason Trygve will not turn over care to
Alcor.  He (rightly, I believe) thinks it would make no difference to
his grandfather's revival at this late date, and would hurt both him
and the town of Nederland, as well as giving Alcor bad press for
hurting both of the above -- despite protestations of "superior
preservation" to the contrary.
>> Why do you think you are so unique that you can
>> somehow turn it all around and prove positive results? What
>> gives you this idea?  What right do you have to take that
>> chance, since we have already seen that it is likely to
>> endanger our field?
> Anybody who does *anything* in cryonics, starting a new cryonics
> organization, hiring people, or accepting a last minute patient runs a
> chance of it blowing up in their face--as you of all people should
> know.  We have to do things all the time where we can't predict the
> consequences or even agree on the potential pitfalls.
> Not complaining, it's just a fact of life.
> Keith Henson
Keith, I could kiss you.

Live long and prosper,
Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery;
none but ourselves can free our minds.
           -- Bob Marley, "Redemption Song"

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