X-Message-Number: 23746 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:37:58 -0800 From: "John Grigg" <> Subject: Getting wacked by the Wakfers & FDGF booth Rudi wrote: Paul, who claimed he resigned from this list in disgust some weeks ago, must be either ghostwriting or helping on these Wakfer writings. I could be wrong in this, but it does not matter if I am, as the spirit of the message would remain the same. The style is EXACTLY Paul Wakfer. Intelligent, articulate, detailed, and still managing to primarily have the result of making someone wrong with no clear cut positive outcome. I don't mean to become a target of Paul and Kitty Wakfer. And, as an example, I will NOT respond or try to be "right" about this. In fact, I should probably do what would be a good example and simply email this personally without further cluttering this forum. There will be no ten day dialogue on this matter, at least not on my part. I will let any shots across the bow go unanswered. (end) Rudi, you may not have MEANT to become a target, but... LOL I can see why Kitty took offense and I'm surprised you did not realize what your writing seemed to strongly imply. Considering the time couples spend together, it does not surprise me that their thoughts and even writing styles become at times quite similar. It looks like if Paul Wakfer has all those good qualities you mentioned, that he married a gal with similar traits. After all, tigers mate with other tigers(and even paper tigers can give bad papercuts)! The matter regarding Aubrey deGrey's credentials is very important and I agree with Kitty on how vital it is to have total honesty in regards to such things. Dr. deGrey's work & efforts are very laudable, but it would take just one journalist to rend him apart in an article on this subject, and we as a result might lose a major proponant of our cause due to the ugly aftermath. I realize Dr. deGrey lives in a world where credentials are worshipped and a key to accessing certain circles. I admit that even without a biology related doctorate he could still do great things, but he must be careful. I wonder if he has considered going back to school to get a biology Phd? Perhaps he feels he no longer has the time. My "fantasy team" for the Frozen Dead Guy Festival booth would be myself, Rudi, Paul & Kitty, Kennita, and Charles Platt. If computers were sophisticated enough, I would run simulations to see what the results were! One would probably be Charles going to a local bar to drown his sorrows at the very thought of being in such an intolerable situation. lol If a non-Alcor cryonics booth is set up, I agree that it needs to be done right. As Kennita stated, we have more than enough time to work out all the details. I just hope the naysayers realize there is no dissuading her so we must focus on making sure things are done as well as possible & and that she is not forced to go it alone. John Grigg ____________________________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=23746