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From: Peter Merel <>
Subject: Frame Over, Man, Frame Over!
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 18:37:04 +1000

Michael Price writes,

> Don't all axioms have the value "ambiguous"?


>> http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=22106 and its sequelae, 
>> there is no necessary reason to think physical infinities exist.
> Except for the infrared divergences of quantum electrodynamics,
> which imply that the finite number of photons observed with our
> insensitive detectors are a subset of an infinite (aleph-null) number
> of soft, but real, photons actually emitted.
> But we've discussed this before.

Yes, I questioned the necessity of the theoretical frame. You insisted 
on the reality of its consequents. So I gave up. FWIW I find the 
situation with infinite photons reminiscent of the frame problems to do 
with phlogiston in the 18th century and epicycles in the 16th. We know 
that QM and GR aren't mutually consistent; this and the plague of 
infinities are obvious symptoms. God doesn't renormalize.

Peter Merel.

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